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Amazon consumers are the reason the employees "don't get enough time for bathroom breaks", not the company

Amazon consumers are the reason the employees "don't get enough time for bathroom breaks", not the company

Ernst_and_winnie

So consumers determine the corporate culture of Amazon? The consumers dictate how many employees Amazon has to fulfill orders? If you’re so busy that you can’t even take a bathroom break, you need more coverage/employees.


captainstevehiller

yes, consumers hold the power! if you don't like how amazon treats their employees stop shopping there and they will have to make changes. if profit falls, their stock price will fall which means the company has to do something to keep it's investors happy. if sales/profit fall and the masses are screaming "pay your employees more and we'll start shopping there again" guess what will happen? HOWEVER, the consumer has to be willing/able to pay more and wait longer...


insultingname

Yes, Amazon's practice's could conceivably be stopped by consumers, but that doesn't absolve the company of responsibility. By that logic, no company is responsible for anything they do so long as they generate a profit. That's idiotic. Coal mining companies used to send little kids down into the mines - they didn't stop because consumers refused to buy their coal, they stopped because of other types of pressure both internal and external, including strikes and rallies. They had armed conflicts where people died. Textile mills didn't end 100 hour work weeks because people stopped buying textiles, they did it because workers organized - exactly the same way the workers at Amazon are trying to organize now. Should more consumers put their money where their mouth's are? Sure. But the fact that they aren't doesn't mean Amazon get's to treat its employees like dog shit. If I see you about to commit a murder, and I don't stop you, that doesn't make you less guilty of murder, it just makes me an accomplice. Same logic applies - Consumers know Amazon is treating their workers poorly and they're not stopping it. That doesn't make Amazon less guilty, it just makes consumers complicit.


captainstevehiller

fair point, i appreciate the thoughtful response. you are correct the company is not completely absolved. my issue is when people don't put any blame at all on the consumer, i don't know if it's 50/50 split but they both share the blame


driftercat

Yeah, that doesn't work because you are pitting people's personal resources against their concern for others. How much of your personal resources of time, energy and money can you afford to spend for other people's good before you put yourself at a comparative disadvantage? And how do you gain accurate knowledge to make those decisions without spending even more of your personal resources? Selfish, uncaring consumers will always be rewarded and get ahead by accepting the exploitation of others if worker treatment is "policed" by consumers. That's why we need labor laws.


CanaKatsaros

If Amazon wanted to keep up with faster orders without abusing their employees, they could just hire more employees. The company is absolutely to blame for the way their workers are treated, the consumer is not


keevion132

I remember when I worked there and the managers were like if u work hard today we will have chic Fila later in the day blah blah blah that sounds cool right in I’ll I realized it was a sunday


captainstevehiller

employee productivit = 100 orders filled employees = 8 orders = 1600 to bridge the gap between employee capacity and orders you can either a) increase employees, b) increase employee capacity or c) reduce orders since amazon has done neither a nor b it's time for the consumer to enact Plan C


TotalJML

You forgot d) Call OSHA and file a complaint


yggdrasillx

That's some nasty ass scapegoating right there if I've ever seen one. Last time I checked the company was still in charge of itself.


954tuko

or they could hire enough staff instead of working everyone like machines


captainstevehiller

right...but the orders that the staff has to work like machines to fill come from the consumers


954tuko

wouldn’t be an issue if they have enough coverage. you never place blame on customers.


captainstevehiller

why can't you blame customers?


954tuko

because they are what keeps business flowing and jobs available


captainstevehiller

yes and they can keep business flowing and jobs available by shopping at other companies instead of amazon


954tuko

and who’s to say these other companies don’t hold the same work culture? most these warehouse retail and food service are all the same man. it’s really no escape even with skill and education. best thing is just deal with it, gain your experience and move to the next. it’s all a money grab


EpicDumperoonie

If there was less demand, they would hire less people and still run them lean. It's shareholder pressure to maximize growth and returns, not consumers.


Bubbly-Quantity

This is why I never order with Amazon


WanderingGreybush

Some people lick boots. Others lick patent leather shoes.


bigdon802

Or they could hire more employees to lighten the load across the board. Maybe allow unionization to let the employees have a say in their treatment.


captainstevehiller

investors, as we have seen, will fight tooth and nail to prevent profit from falling unless they absolutely have to. seeing as the effort to unionize has failed and profits have risen despite bad press about working conidtions in its warehouses, it's time for the consumer to step up and make their voice heard through their spending habits.


TheCrimsonnerGinge

The company could hire more people until they reach market equilibrium. Economics is no excuse for breaking the law


TotalJML

Yes voting with your dollars is definitely a thing, but the solution to an increase in demand isn't denying bathroom breaks or punishing those that take them. When you need to increase your output you hire more people, not strain and torture the workers you already have.


ChangeToday222

Some opinions are unpopular… this one is just stupid.


captainstevehiller

please elaborate


ChangeToday222

When a company has a monopoly it dosnt make decisions for its employee’s based on its customers. When you get to this point of success the company can LITERALLY do whatever it wants and get away with it. When a company has enough momentum it takes more than its consumers attacking it to stop it, mostly because it’s consumers wouldn’t attack it due to the absurd amount of marketing they have working in their favor. It’s a cycle, the company starts to lose consumers so they spend more money on marketing and get the consumers back, take the profit and then it happens again. This is a choice the company actively makes instead of hiring more employees because it is more profitable for them in the long run.


captainstevehiller

amazon isn't a monopoly. i can buy books from barnes and noble, groceries from any local store/farmers market, toilet paper and other household goods from any local store, electronics from best buy, streaming service from netflix, youtube, hulu, etc. is it easier to shop at amazon than other places? yup. is it an absolute necessity? nope.


ChangeToday222

They have a monopoly on quick delivery services and have significantly cheaper prices on many of their products than you could find anywhere else… making them a monopoly. You need to realize it is the rich vs the poor, I’d advise picking a side before becoming an unwitting slave.


captainstevehiller

i pick the side that doesn't shop at amazon and doesn't mind waiting longer and paying more for items if it means the companies are treating their employees better


ChangeToday222

Well then act like it. By asserting that these decisions aren’t the companies and the companies alone you are showing as much support for the other side as you possibly can, voting with your voice is more important than voting with your dollar in this scenario.


captainstevehiller

i disagree, i think voting with your dollar carries more weight


ChangeToday222

Well your voice carries weight too, right now your voice is canceling out your dollar. I guess stupid opinions come from stupid people.


captainstevehiller

nothing like resorting to calling someone stupid, nice dismount bud. read my comments to others on this thread, i'm not absolving amazon of all blame. people need to recognize they as consumers have power too though


ChangeToday222

Or should I say support these monopolies into so much power that we all become slaves working under similar conditions.


tyrrell201

This is one of the reasons why I refuse to use Amazon, every solution I want starts with the individual, gotta change first or atleast try💯


rollingfoul

It's technically both, but about 99% of it is the fault of the company.


notablyunfamous

I it’s the company. Volume should be adjusted to presuppose breaks. I work for usps and our breaks are evaluated into the route presupposing them. Amazon just runs their couriers ragged.


Evil_Chef

Unpopular does not equal factually wrong, or just plain stupid. r/stupidopinions


RedSonGamble

Back in my day our employers cut off our balls so we couldn’t even store our pee. It just leaked out all day


ReapNweep

This is so dumb lmao.


Comfortablynumb_10

Their whole business model is based on quick delivery at cheap prices. The consumer didn’t make that model.


captainstevehiller

The consumer made it successful though by continuing to order from them


Comfortablynumb_10

did they know that when they started purchasing from Amazon into the company that it is, though, that they’d take advantage of its employees. It appears as though Amazon grew into what it is. Anyway, I actually agree with you to a point, though you can’t absolve Amazon of responsibility


stinkyman360

Amazon could easily just hire more employees


INeedToQuitRedditFFS

People respond really well to cheap products too, but that doesn't mean that its consumers fault if a company uses slave labor to drive their prices down.