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Microsoft To Drop Support for Windows 10 by 2025

Microsoft To Drop Support for Windows 10 by 2025

grapesinajar

Didn't they say that Windows 10 would be the "last version of Windows"? Or am I remembering that wrong?


disasadi

That's what they said, yes. I remember they said it's kind of "modular" OS and they can upgrade it bit by bit, never having to do a new full release of another OS.


vishalnegal

Waiting for Windows 11 and new features.


i010011010

And many of us called bullshit. The problem with Windows 10 right now is there are too many ways to use it offline. Microsoft weren't ever going to let that slide forever.


The-Colorado-Kid

But that's the *current* version of windows... Are they going bankrupt or something?


Huge_Seat_544

They probably know everyone is going to hate Windows 11, and its going to be a mess. They don't want everyone just hanging out on the old non-busted version like they did before so they have to make sure its out of support really soon.


Leyonis

Then that's when I stop using any new Windows OS, right? They claimed that 10 would be the last new Windows OS


no_way_ho_zay

> They claimed that 10 would be the last new Windows OS When I first heard that, I knew it was bullshit. It's badge engineering all the way.


Caraes_Naur

When I heard that, I knew Windows would eventually become a GUI on top of Linux. I guess now there's a vague timetable for that.


no_way_ho_zay

That would be an insult to Linux.


Caraes_Naur

Not more than when MS was bankrolling SCO.


txstoploss

Not universally. Linux refuses to implement features that Windows has had since **3.11**. It also *isn't an OS*, it's a combination of kernels, "desktop environments" and 'file managers'. Sent from a linux box.


no_way_ho_zay

That was tongue-in-cheek joke, bruh. Lighten up


_-ammar-_

what features are you talking about ?


txstoploss

First, the trivial but aggravating one: **System-wide date/time formatting.** That way linux can toss the insane "locale standards" which are totally ignored by some software (yeah **you**, Mozilla). How about just giving me two screens [like this](https://imgur.com/eqroE62) to: 1. type in my own formats, and/or, 2. Pick 'canned formats' from a drop-down ...and *make* **every** *program comply with them*? It's not like I'm demanding removal of anything, just a nice GUI like I've been using since Windows 95, and functionality that was present in Windows **3.1**. **Network Discovery and Consistent File Management** 'Linux' is the least friendly environment in dealing with LAN connections. Windows and MacOS *both* accommodate plugging and unplugging PCs and storage from LANs *without* manual chasing of 'mount-points' and hieroglyphic-filled tables of config files. Windows has "*Map Network Drive*" functionality that **remembers** everything it's shown *once*, and discreetly puts a little red x over network assets that aren't available at the moment. The *best* that can be accomplished with linux is: 1. Navigating to a newly-connected device and "Bookmarking" it. 2. Hoping your application hasn't used a completely different set of file-handling libraries (are you listening, GnuCash & "Free File Sync"?) 3. Repeating the whole process every time you move to a different PC on the LAN. **TL/DR;** 1. GUI 'locale' config as good as Windows 95. 2. Network discovery and auto-mapping like Windows Explorer/MacOS "Finder". 3. System-wide enforcement of #1 and #2. No more "this app can't see that network drive, and displays Euro dates".


0898257a76

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.


txstoploss

As if I haven't read *that* for the last 20 years. Until *something* using the linux kernel becomes "branded" enough to be identifiable to users, developers and the 'tech media', the terminology used by JoeBlow will prevail. Worse, the hyper-fragmentation among desktop environments, file managers, filesystems for storage devices will prevent "distros" from ever achieving critical mass to exercise real influence over 'Personal Computing'. But as long as Microsoft and Apple continue to degrade, I'll probably be using some form of it.


Shilo59

2025 is the year of the Linux desktop!


aquarain

An Android skin actually. So, a custom theme on top of a Java GUI with Linux underneath.


GreenAdvance

Last in the sense that they will continue just updating it and you won't have to buy a new version. Which will still be the case. They're announcing a major update at the end of the month which will probably branded as a new version. There are rumors they're just dropping 10 and rebranding as just Windows. That's just rumor though. It's still just an update for Windows 10.


Dumrauf28

From what I've heard that not true? They're specifically working on a "Windows 11" according to reports


OnlineCancer

Microsoft, please just add tabs to the file manager, that’s all I’m asking for.


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ggtsu_00

Just find files in my Documents and applications in Program Files first before returning internet search results from Bing. Thx


godsfist101

You know you can turn that off with the registry right? It makes it usable again.


ggtsu_00

One day Windows will stop requiring uses to fix itself with registry edits.


tedchmura

Oh? Could you point me in the right direction on how to do that specific thing? That would be helpful!


FormalWath

But that would eat up like 70% of Bing traffic...


smzkx

Until they fix it you can use [voidtools everything](https://www.voidtools.com)


Blue_Is_Really_Green

This is a great program but I don't think it does tabs?


smzkx

Yeah it's a search tool not a file explorer


wockyman

Their code has to be mostly cruft to've not done this already.


aquarain

They literally don't know how it works. Totally not kidding.


OnlineCancer

That or they just don’t believe it’s worth the effort, most likely the former


Dave-C

Have you looked at something like Explorer++? It looks a lot like normal Windows Explorer but it has extras like tabs. There are several other replacements but Explorer++ is popular. I think a lot of it is because it is free and it isn't a big change. [Here](https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-windows-file-explorer-replacements/) is a list of them.


OnlineCancer

I haven’t, I don’t really want to install duplicate programs without being able to remove one of them. And seeing how dependant Windows is on Explorer it’s not something you can just delete and replace.


Dave-C

I understand. You can't even completely remove the calculator in Windows 10 or other things will no longer work. Edge is their new browser but old IE is still hidden in the Windows install because Window needs it. Windows is a mess :D Gl on getting the tabs, I would like them myself.


OnlineCancer

It’s not a mess, it’s just really accessible and backwards compatible! ;) but in all honesty I agree with you. Fingers crossed for tabs in explorer.


AyrA_ch

> And seeing how dependant Windows is on Explorer it’s not something you can just delete and replace. You theoretically can. [Windows server can be installed as a "core" edition](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/server-core/what-is-server-core), which lacks most of the UI you know, including explorer and the desktop. And since a windows server product somewhat matches a windows home product, you could possibly achieve something similar on your Windows 10. The problem with not having explorer is not that it breaks Windows, but it breaks many other applications. Notepad++ for example has a feature to delete the currently opened file, but that feature doesn't calls the DeleteFile API, but instead asks the shell to delete the file.


OnlineCancer

It does break Windows. If you force close the explorer process the desktop background disappears and the taskbar might as well. When you open applications they’ll often be a child of the explorer process, even if you didn’t directly open them from explorer. macOS has similar behaviour, where if you force close Finder weird things start to happen.


AyrA_ch

> If you force close the explorer process the desktop background disappears and the taskbar might as well This is true, but you don't need those things for Windows to work. You can still Alt+Tab between applications to switch them, and you can use task manager and cmd to run applications. > When you open applications they’ll often be a child of the explorer process, even if you didn’t directly open them from explorer. This is normal and the result of using the shell execute flag. It's also the reason why you can try to run word documents as applications and have word itself pop up. If you don't use that flag, Windows will try to run the file as an executable [regardless of whether it has the .exe extension or not](https://i.imgur.com/U7bAH5G.png).


HugeProposal

Just install Linux. Literally had this feature for 10+ years now.


OnlineCancer

I do use Linux, it’s actually the OS I use the most. I also use macOS a lot. The point is, I need to use Windows, regardless, so I’m hoping they finally add this to Windows as well.


HugeProposal

I'd be very surprised if there aren't good alternative file managers for Windows tbh.


OnlineCancer

But I don’t want alternatives. I can’t install these alternatives on work systems that are controlled by the IT department and have strict lists of what is allowed to be installed. If MS themselves add this, I have access to it regardless of where I use Windows.


HugeProposal

Well yeah, if you have to use a machine for work then the only thing you can do is get a new job I suppose. I'm a firm believer in solving your own problems rather than praying someone else does it for you.


OnlineCancer

I highly doubt I’d be able to install arbitrary programs on any corporate machines without approval of the application. It also seems a bit extreme to quit just because of it.


VC_GhosT

just tell your boss that its gonna help you do your work, they should allow it as long as its a trusted app.


HugeProposal

I have root and can do whatever I want on my work machine. Always have in every job I've had except one, which I quit for that reason.


OnlineCancer

Maybe it depends on the field you work in and the organisation’s threat model.


tayhutch

Yes, use Linux and endlessly search for drivers and replacement applications for all the ones you used to use that don't run well on Linux... There's a reason Linux has huge amounts of server adoption bit very, very little consumer desktop adoption


Sanjay64bit

I have been using various flavours of Linux for quite a while and, barring a very few occasions, haven't really seen devices not supported. As far as replacement applications are concerned, I have found most to be better than Windows applications but that is a personal preference. I am using MS Office installed on my Linux machine using wine since my daughter required it. Maybe wine would solve some of the issues you are facing.


tayhutch

It's not issues I'm facing, I only use Linux for web servers. I'm just saying those are the underlying reasons, among others, why after decades of being well known and having dozens of distributions available, Linux still makes up less than 3% of desktop operating systems... Right there with ChromeOS in terms of popularity, despite decades of a head start and so many distributions.


Sanjay64bit

Okay, I thought you were facing issues with Linux on desktops. Yeah, for someone who's not very comfortable with Linux, the learning curve is pretty steep.


HugeProposal

Erm... It's Windows where you have to search for drivers. Unless you want to build your own kernel, which I'm not suggesting. Linux has most drivers bundled. I installed nvidia drivers like 15 years ago, but since then it's like a couple of button clicks to enable them. Yeah, replacement apps, but you'll get a good file manager with tabs. You win some, you lose some. It's easy to run Linux especially today when so much stuff runs in a browser. So many people could easily switch to Linux and wouldn't even know it. But you have to decide what's important to you.


SquiffSquiff

This is rarely an issue these days


BenderB-Rodriguez

Pfft 2025 that's like 20 years from now.....oh fuck....I'm old


no_way_ho_zay

Watch them extend it to 50 years. Just like patents.


Carjacklavinder

...I'll be drinking moon juice with President Jonathan Taylor Thomas.


eskimoexplosion

I wish we could have remasters with OS's like video games have. Give me that Windows XP remastered


Shilo59

Windows 95 Super Turbo Remix HD featuring USB support


scotty3281

Win 95 DID have USB support. You needed Win 95B and your motherboard had to support them AND they had to be enabled in BIOS. Sorry, I am sure you know this and are being sarcastic of course.


EumenidesTheKind

Haha yes Windows 95 had always supported USB here let me just plug this i- # KERNEL MEMORY OVERFLOW, DUMPING CORE


Shilo59

Yup, I still have the disc for it somewhere!


AyrA_ch

I just want official support for the classic design. [You can still enable it](https://i.imgur.com/HSfMWhE.png), but it involves some cheating and outright breaks the settings app.


beurre_pamplemousse

Sim Copter One reporting heavy traffic.


JimBean

I still have a notepad running XP for my weather station. Just sits there, day after day, doing its thing. Of course, you need to reboot it every so often when the uptime timer is full, but that's XP.


Matokage

And then what? Windows X? Or are they gonna do Windows (buid #) or even Windows Current Year.


EumenidesTheKind

\> current year \> not using Windows Current Year ngmi, ishygddt, lgbt


Kishiro

So much for Windows 10 being the last OS they'll ever release that our kids will grow up with and will just be continuously improved.... It sounded silly in the commercials for a reason. Here we are.


MakeGoodBetter

The new one isn't even out yet! WTF?


jannerprince

They don't just cook up development maps over a weekend in the Bahamas.


TheFluffiestFur

Microsoft really needs to clean their system.


sugaN-S

Hoping hard that Win 11 is coded from the ground up with apis for backwards compatibility and not the other way around


qwertash1

Ah fuck need another 100 to hide the control panel again


[deleted]

This whole thing is so dumb. They're just going to call the next update Windows 11 instead of Windows 10 21H2. It's going to work exactly like any other feature update has. And the previous feature updates are going out of support eventually, exactly as they always have.


Method__Man

They need to add more spyware and telemetry. More ad placement thrown in your face too. I’d MUCH rather just buy and OS than it be “free” and full of garbage


archaeolinuxgeek

Windows Edge™ Edition. Everything is Edge™! File browser? Edge™! Document reader? Edge™! ^please ^like ^Edge


Iwannabeaviking

will they replace Cortana with clippy for the assistant?


pratikonomics

My org still on windows 7: WHAT’S THAT? YOU WANNA SAY THAT TO MY FACE


RetinaJunkie

still using XP


xxpact

*social engineer has entered the chat*


lilrabbitfoofoo

I'm not clicking this obvious bait.


staygettinpaper

Are they still supporting XP? Have been so long since I used a PC


Huge_Seat_544

Naw, the last bits of supported ended in 2019 (but you had to use the POSReady trick for that even) They've actually shutdown the update servers so you can't even update it anymore.


staygettinpaper

Oh ok damn that’s crazy I used to have so much fun on XP


nerys71

Shit I still use windows 7 on nearly every machine. I don't permit windows 10 on my hardware. I don't control it i don't want it. if it were not for network access issues (web browsers etc..) I would still use XP on most machines. its just so easy to skin it to within an inch of its life so compact so damned fast and stable. (once skinned) I have windows 10 on one and only one machine and that machine does not get network access except when it really needs it for some reason.


Fapmaestro3

Respect to you, you could also switch to Debian?


OnlineCancer

Do you pay for the extended security updates for Windows 7? Else you’re just shooting your self in the foot, security wise.


nerys71

hell no. I don't permit updates. I handle my own security just fine without microsoft's "fingers" permanently in my property.


OnlineCancer

Have fun with another MS170-10 or MS08-067 because you don’t want to update and don’t trust Microsoft


nerys71

Funny I had no problems with the first ones. so.... yeah. not too worried.


OnlineCancer

That’s kind of their point. Developed 0-day exploits that were never meant to be found.


nerys71

my point was missed. I control my security. don't expose yourself to shady situations and you don't have issues like that. hell I don't even let family use my machines. they are the worst offenders.


OnlineCancer

It’s not something you really need to be in shady situations for to be affected by. MS08-067 is a worm, you don’t even need to do anything to get infected.


nerys71

sure if you are on a naked connection. that would be dumb.


OnlineCancer

Whatever dude, enjoy your 0 days instead of just either updating or jumping ship to another OS