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Rand Paul refuses COVID vaccine because his “medical decisions” are personal. Trans people’s aren’t. | Rand Paul wants to ban abortion and gender-affirming health care for trans teens. Now he's shocked that anyone would criticize his medical decisions.

Rand Paul refuses COVID vaccine because his “medical decisions” are personal. Trans people’s aren’t. | Rand Paul wants to ban abortion and gender-affirming health care for trans teens. Now he's shocked that anyone would criticize his medical decisions.

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benderisgreat63

"Are they also going to tell me I can’t have a cheeseburger for lunch? Are they going to tell me that I have to eat carrots only and cut my calories?” he said on the radio show. “All that would probably be good for me, but I don’t think big brother ought to tell me to do it.” So basically he is saying the vaccine is probably good for me but I won't get it because the government told me to. The reasoning of a 5 year old.


zerkrazus

Isn't he also the idiot who said we should make minimum wage $100/hour because people wanted it to be $15? Escalating quickly much? People who work MW don't necessarily want/think they need to be making $200,000+, but they shouldn't be forced onto government assistance programs due to their shitty low pay either. $15/hour is only $31,200/year. Not like they're going to be buying mansions, luxury cars, and yachts with that kind of pay.


sdce1231yt

I still don't get people who think that a minimum wage worker making $15/hour won't have ambitions to make more money. I make an approximate $63K salary and I have ambitions to make more so that I can have more financial freedom and can afford to live without roommates, along with a whole number of other things. $15 per hour is not some comfortable living like the GOP thinks it is.


zerkrazus

I hear you. I wasn't intending to imply that if people made $15/hr they would never want/need more. I was just trying to say that $15 is *barely* enough just to get by in some parts of the country. COL is so out of whack in many places that even $15 is not enough for luxuries like you know, housing, food, etc. But MW opponents are like nope, you want basic necessities, get a "better" job.


sdce1231yt

Oh. My comment wasn’t directed at you. I was referring to all the people who think that giving minimum wage workers a $15/hour wage would make them not motivated to make more money. It’s such a stupid opinion to have. I know people who make more than I do and they are still motivated to make more. $15/hour is basically bare minimum in many parts of the country and the people who do make that really have to be incredibly frugal in order to save even a small amount of money. That also does not even take into account the fact some of them might have student debt from college. The interesting thing about the “get a better job” people is that they are now complaining about the fact people don’t want to work any of those restaurant openings that they were bashing.


zerkrazus

Ah okay and yeah I agree. Even your Bezos's, Musk's, etc., want to make more money. So that argument of theirs is dumb IMO.


finallyinfinite

I somehow managed to survive on $11/hr for about a year, but it required roommates, a crappy apartment, and ended up with me wrecking my credit score. Just because it can be done doesn't mean it should or that anyone should be expected to.


zerkrazus

Yep, pretty much. People need and deserve independence. We shouldn't have to rely on others merely to survive. Funny, it was perfectly fine for MW workers to own their own home or live in their own modest apartment back in the 50s, 60s, 70s, but then everyone was like, nope, can't do that, fuck you MW workers! Sigh.


finallyinfinite

People forget that humans work for more than survival, they also work for satisfaction. Survival makes a better short-term motivator since you'll literally die. But humans have a drive and desire to do something fulfilling and productive. Not necessarily to do something "productive" for 40+ hours a week, but to do work that feels meaningful. People don't want to work an unfulfilling, meaningless job. And they especially don't want to do it for scraps. But when your choices are being homeless/starving or working that unfulfilling job for pennies, well. Which one would you pick? It's not that people don't want to work. It's that people don't want to do meaningless work. And forcing people into those crap positions is easy to do when you can manipulate them through the threat of survival.


sdce1231yt

Exactly. People don't just want to work the bare minimum to survive. They want to make enough in order to do activities that they find fun and satisfying. Whether it's traveling, going to live events, golfing, skiing/snowboarding, going out to bars/restaurants, etc. Many also want to make enough money to not just take care of themselves, but current/future kids. Minimum wage workers (whether single or have kid/s) don't enjoy just getting by and worrying about if they can afford to pay rent or put food on the table. It is also true that outside of just money, humans want to do work that is fulfilling. It's why you see many CEOs or executives who are already rich, continue to work. Yes, money can be a factor in their decision to continue work, but they are driven by their current role and find it fulfilling


finallyinfinite

And like, don't even get me wrong. I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with taking a job you find unfulfilling to make ends meet until a job you enjoy is more in the cards for you. The problem is those unfulfilling jobs barely make ends meet, and a lot of people would find fulfilling work in things that aren't deemed as valuable by society. The big example I can think of is art.


DrawnbyHigHeisler

It's one banana, Bernie; how much could it cost?? $15??


Drakemansgirlfriend

I have a job that's the perfect for arguing with republicans. I haven't had one yet that doesn't end up agreeing with me or completely changing the subject (more likely ending). I work at a group home for mentally disabled adults. Wages for staff are included in the money the company gets for the men's care from the state. The state (Texas) only pays minimum wage...which automatically qualifies us for welfare. That's ridiculous. Republican response is usually, "find a different job". I them ask them, which is it? Do those disabled adults not deserve the best possible care they can receive or should the people that do the job deserve to live in poverty? I'm not embarrassed to lay my budget out for them. I'm lucky to work for a company that throws a couple of bucks on top of the state's wages but I still only make $10 an hour and qualify for welfare. I bring home a little less that $700 a paycheck, $1400 a month. My rent is $900, there are no cheaper apts to move into. I already live in a crap hole. I don't go places, do anything or have fun...there's no time. After working all week, I can't even sit on my butt and relax. I have to do my second job for instacart or "donate" plasma to make ends meet. I'm exhausted constantly. It makes it harder for me to not get snippy with my guys when they ask me the same question for the 10th time in as many minutes. I'm not looking for $200,000 a year but a living wage that allows me to not work several jobs.


R3dempshun

The reality is most of the people give zero fucks about disabled people so as much as you think you checkmated them the real republicans will condemn your job It's the same as those that defend pro-life but wouldn't give a starving pregnant mother a rat to eat. It's the same as those who condemn drug addicts as garbage rather than even consider a drug rehab centre to be built in the neighborhood A lot of republicans think anyone that struggles are garbage and they can then feel superior


bicameral_mind

> A lot of republicans think anyone that struggles are garbage and they can then feel superior Until the moment it's their kid that comes out, or struggles with opioid addiction, or get's knocked up by an abuser.


Spaceman_Spiff33

Which is funny when the red states are the welfare states. But self awareness is yet another thing they are awful at. Along with logic, science, empathy etc.


zielawolfsong

We have a son with autism, and every single person who works as an aide, respite worker, etc. is severely underpaid. It's rewarding, but also can be incredibly exhausting and require a nearly unlimited supply of patience. There's very few people we can trust because when you watch DS, you need to WATCH him- in literally seconds he can be out the door and running down the street, or trying to grab hot food off the stove. Anyone who has been a caretaker, whether it's a parent, child, friend, etc. knows both how challenging and how important the work is. And yet as a society we really undervalue those people. I think part of the problem is that it's traditionally been mostly women and/or minorities making up the majority of the workforce, and the conservative answer is also that really the family should be taking care of everything (you don't have an independently wealthy family member who can drop everything else in their life to take care of you full time? Oh well, sucks to be you). All that is a long way of saying thank you for the work you do, I'm sure the people you work with and their families are grateful. What you're doing is so important, and I'm sorry it's not appropriately valued.


eeezzz_baby

& thats ignoring the fact that getting the vaccine is beneficial to the rest of america, not just him. Fuckin asshole.


mysterysciencekitten

Exactly. His medical decisions affect others. Edit: A “personal” medical decision not to vaccinate potentially affects others. I didn’t mean to refer to every medical decision a person makes.


TheWingus

>& thats ignoring the fact that getting the vaccine is beneficial to the rest of america, not just him. I try to bring this point up to all my asshole "friends" who I haven't physically seen or spoken to in person since 10th grade. They'll say something like "If I want to take the risk, that's on me and I'll deal with the consequences." Well here's the thing George, the risk isn't ***ON YOU***. The risk you're taking is on my 2 year old and 5 month old. The risk you're taking is on the old woman behind you at the checkout. That's somebody's grandmother, that's somebody's mother. They have this idea that it's like using a minefield as a shortcut. When you walk in there you run the risk of exploding but anyone who doesn't want to walk through the minefield doesn't have to. Whereas it's more akin to having a gun that may or may not have blanks in it and firing it into a crowd.


718wingnut

Not just the vaccine. I’m not saying decisions should be made on this, but all medical needs affect the whole system. Increased costs, less availability, redirection of funding and resources


eeezzz_baby

Ohh yea thats a really important point that more people should pay attention to. Same reason why social healthcare systems are supposed to reduce costs overall - more healthy people means less expenses in the long run. In general good personal health decisions are beneficial to society in a lot of ways, productivity, supporting local agriculture, less health incidents etc. Most decisions are less directly impactful than a vaccine during a pandemic though - rand really should be able to eat that hamburger even though it was a dumbass comparison lol.


ShimReturns

You can't spread eating cheeseburgers to other people


TwelfthApostate

You’ve never been to my BBQs


extralyfe

lols, that reminds me: my friend just had his first cookout since 2019 a weekend or two ago. he invited me and a couple other friends, planning on smoking some ribs and chicken. I showed up with burger fixings intending on cooking up some burgers, and his wife said, "oh, fuck, you're making burgers? it's been too long since I had one of your burgers." cue everyone snagging a burger even though many of them were full. burgers can *absolutely* spread.


addorangecassidy

So basically he said that carrots are probably good for him but won’t eat them cause mom said they were good for him. What a rebel 🤦‍♂️


chappqchita

How dare you insult 5 year olds. He has the ‘terrible 2’s


GnomedHOO

That’s unfair to 2 year olds. They’re just naive and curious, this dude is malicious and spiteful.


chappqchita

Face like a smacked ass


OohIDontThinkSo

His face was smacked pretty good by his neighbor. It's the only positive thought that I have regarding Rand.


ManderlyDreaming

True enough. It’s three year olds you have to watch out for. That’s when they learn to lie.


Dustin_00

The government also recommends roads as effective for faster travel than walking and works hard to make them available across the country.


gin_and_soda

That sounds like communism


RonaldoNazario

And one of those things has a cost unlike the other. Eating cheeseburgers is delicious, there’s a reason most people don’t just eat super healthy all the time. There’s no reason like that for the vaccine besides I guess the side effects which for most people are basically feeling shitty for a day after the second dose.


BillG8s

Any reasonable radio host: “What about the affect it will have on OTHER people, Rand?”


UrbanGhost114

That interviewer, and interviewers everywhere, should call out these kinds of "arguments" as ridiculous, and in bad faith to their faces when it happens, that's a blatant change of narrative to avoid answering the questions.


djcurless

*MGT chimes in* “It’s just like the Holocaust”


DuckDrunkLove

He's lying. He's had the vaccine, it just plays better with his base to pretend he's a rebel who is refusing the vaccine.


jpk195

This. It's sociopath theatre.


NeverLookBothWays

Adding "sociopath theatre" to my right-wing lexicon.


ProfessionalChapter0

Sociopath Kabuki


smoke_torture

Qabuki


meanteeth71

ding ding ding!


Rrraou

Sociopath Bukakke


Iamvanno

Republican nut jobs love having Trump's big lie whipped out, and falsehoods sprayed all over them.


Carbonatite

*Lindsey Graham has entered the chat*


FoleyV

Exactly! He’s right, his medical decisions are personal and therefore he was able to quietly get the vaccine and pretend he did not so that he could save face.


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> so that he could save face. He failed on that too.


SandaledGriller

With us, sure, but not with his base


TheHomersapien

Damnit I don't know who to believe anymore. Next you're going to tell me that Trump isn't a billionaire, he did in fact lose the 2020 election, and trickle down economics is a fairy tale.


Gerf93

At least he's the third greatest President in American history, next to George Washington and Ronald Reagan. Yee-haw brother. /s


xTheMaster99x

Don't forget Lincoln, did I mention he was a Republican?


GrindcoreNinja

Yee fucking haw.


simburger

We know he's already had COVID (he didn't quarantine and kept going to the gym while waiting for test results). It's possible he just thinks he's immune now.


carlosceja27

I’m curious what are the actual numbers for (someone who’s had it and recovered from it), getting it again? I’m aware you can get it again but how likely is it for someone to get it again? If it’s low then I guess I can see why he wouldn’t get the vaccine but I’m no doctor or scientist 👨‍🔬


garciasn

TL;DR: one NIH study showed (N=200) strong immune response for 8 months after infection. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19 > To better understand immune memory of SARS-CoV-2, researchers led by Drs. Daniela Weiskopf, Alessandro Sette, and Shane Crotty from the La Jolla Institute for Immunology analyzed immune cells and antibodies from almost 200 people who had been exposed to SARS-CoV-2 and recovered. > > [...] > > However, 95% of the people had at least 3 out of 5 immune-system components that could recognize SARS-CoV-2 up to 8 months after infection.


FEO4

So I am a public health practitioner who spent a few months doing contact tracing and investigated roughly 500 cases. I had 3 people who believed they had COVID twice. Two of them believe they had it before testing was available so there was no way to confirm. The third tested positive twice over a 3 month span so it is very likely that they only had it once and just tested positive for slightly longer than expected (no symptoms either time).


izovice

I had it last May then again this March. I still haven't fully recovered either (nerves and memory) 2nd time wasn't as bad but I was a bit more scared it would give me another long term problem. I have a family of 5 and both times no one else at home got sick. 3 of 5 of us are vaccinated finally.


FEO4

I’m sorry to hear that. The neurological symptoms do seem to be the most common long term side effect. It hasn’t been long enough to say whether they eventually go away or not yet. One thing that needs more research are COVID “flare-ups” it was really common for someone to say that particular symptoms would flare up from time to time weeks or even months after the initial illness, although a year apart would be atypical for a flare up. But it’s still too early to really know what “typical” means in the case of COVID. I hope you feel better soon and I expect over time we will develop therapeutics for long term side effects.


GeraldoOfCanada

What are the common neurological symptoms? I believe I had the virus before testing was available (Italian contact in Canada right after the large outbreak there). I've had a plethora of weird shit going on since then, all tests are clean and my doctor retired so I have to wait a year or so for another. Science background so don't spare details if you got em haha!


FEO4

Brain fog is super common (especially in younger cases). One guy described it to me as he and his contractor buddies used to rag on each other at work but now he cant keep up or fire back like he used to, others said they were completely unable to focus on school or work projects. Headaches. Alteration in sense of taste or smell. There are probably some others but these are what were reported the most often to me. And as far as long term side effects and flare ups these symptoms were almost always mentioned.


causeNo

oh shit.. Kinda suspected I had it in February last year. Some colleaguess on my floor had just returned from skiing in Italy. Exactly two weeks later I was the most ill I have ever been. Dry cough for a week before it turned real bad. Lung pains and all. The brainfog thing would actually explain a lot. I am to this day fatigued and brain foggy.


electricshake

["Risk of SARS-CoV-2 reinfection in a university student population | Clinical Infectious Diseases | Oxford Academic"](https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab454/6276528) suggests previous infection is ~84% effective against reinfection in a student population. But yeh I would absolutely get the vaccine even if I'd had covid, as we don't know how long your immunity will last and the mRNA vaccines at least are more than 85% effective.


taws34

The vaccines are also showing to be effective against new strains of the virus.


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Isnt he a doctor? Like an actual Medical Doctor?


DeedTheInky

Ben Carson was a world-class neurosurgeon, and all evidence points to him being a complete fucking idiot when it comes to everything that's not neurosurgery. :/


Benjamin_Grimm

A lot of doctors are very very knowledgeable within their field and absolutely useless outside of it.


artmonkey1382

He was a licensed ophthalmologist (eye doctor) from 1995 to 2005. At that point he set up his own licensing board and was "certified" by them until the board was dissolved in 2011. [Snopes Link](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rand-paul-ophthalmologist/)


Jungle_Bob

Slight misnomer. He is an Ophthalmologist, but that is not an eye doctor... It is an eye specialist (generally classified more as an eye surgeon than a doctor). He has an MD while an Optometrist is an OD source: I am an OD and am embarrassed for this man being even close to my profession.


simburger

I don't know if he still is, but yea, he went to medical school. A fact he keeps bringing up in his arguments with Dr. Fauci despite not being a specialist like Fauci.


MAG7C

I swear this pandemic has reinforced time and time again that *some* doctors are among the biggest idiots on this planet.


CertainlyNotWorking

yes, he's a licensed ophthalmologist.


interfail

He's not really licensed. His membership of the real board expired 20 years ago, so he set up his own "licensing board" to license himself, but it was never accredited and got dissolved when he got bored of doing the paperwork. Libertarianism!


DeshaunWatsonsAnus

So kind of like an ob arguing with a proctologist.


damadamagoyolur

Pfft holes are holes amirite? ​ /s


Ginger_Ayle

He's a state licensed physician, but he is not a board-certified ophthalmologist. Kentucky doesn't require board certification for Ophthalmologists, but beyond that it seems clear that Rand Paul wasn't able to pass the requirements for for board certification as required by the American Board of Ophthalmology (ABO). In the late-90s, he even objected to the ABO's certification requirements and then set up a competing board -- the now dissolved National Board of Ophthalmology (NBO) -- so he could self-certify; the certification exam was an open-book, take-home test that Rand Paul helped author and the board members were him, his wife, and his father-in-law. Because when you're a rich sociopath from a politically connected family and can't meet the professional certification requirements everyone else must meet, you can just invent your own governing board and requirements. Simple as that! Edit: typo


8512332158

He did at some point last year go on a tweet rampage where he mentioned he would be immune due to already having had it. I forget his exact wording but he seemed to be pretty confident that the immunity would last forever


Netprincess

like his orange god


LuvNMuny

Literally my first thought as well.


glum_cunt

Trying to avoid becoming even more cynical. This is not helping.


relator_fabula

I GUARAN-FUCKING-TEE this man already got the vaccine, probably *months* ago. He's pandering. He RIPPED Trump to shreds before Nov 2016, like a bunch of other "high-profile" GQP-ers did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43wDpKQxaM Don't think for one *microsecond* that this guy would be above lying about *this* after all the lies he's spewed. The *entire* GOP does nothing *but* what they think will get them the votes they need to stay in power and keep raking in the dough.


Never-On-Reddit

Exactly what he was about to comment. I am absolutely confident that he is vaccinated. This is all a political spiel.


Aztechie

[Yep.](https://twitter.com/dylan_rand/status/1396540132883304451?s=19)


engg_girl

I think they are all secretly vaccinated. They aren't idiotic, just lack any shred of morality.


DannibalBurrito

I do love that when the GQP fuckheads try to gaslight me into believing that Trump is either 1) a normal guy, or 2) a good guy, all I have to do is look back just a couple years to see them all calling him a complete piece of shit.


astakask

The speed at which they lined up to vigorously felate Trump after he won proves faster than light travel is possible.


knock-off-pale

This is how republicans work. Do what helps you most. Also, say what helps you most. Caveat, what you do and what you say, don't have to be compatible at all, it's all about gaining ground. Winning isn't everything, it's the ONLY thing.


CollegeSuperSenior

Too true. What astounds me is that they are not even subtle or sneaky about it. They literally lie out their ass all the time about everything and yet somehow they keep getting elected? It really feels like the average voter has the memory of a gold fish.


WatsGoinOn23

I wouldn’t be surprised. Trump got his vax back in January and didn’t want his base to know.


ooSUPLEX8oo

"A recent poll found that 41 percent of Republicans do not plan to get the vaccine, over ten times higher than Democrats’ four percent." ​ I really hate that something like this has become political.


calidroneguy

I would be ok if it worked better and quicker and didn't take non-deniers with it.


UhPhrasing

Exactly. Let the plague rats just succumb to their own stupidity and America would be better off in many ways, but it's never that simple. They spread disease.


SauronSymbolizedTech

Republicans hate that there's any vaccine at all, ending their ambition for a Zapp Brannigan style solution to COVID where they make it shut down because it hit the maximum kill limit.


AceContinuum

> Republicans hate that there's any vaccine at all, ending their ambition for a Zapp Brannigan style solution to COVID where they make it shut down because it hit the maximum kill limit. At the same time, they hate that Trump isn't getting enough credit (in their eyes) for making the vaccines (which they profess to disdain and distrust) available.


Nambot

"Trump deserves credit for the vaccine, that I'm not gonna get, for the fake Chinese virus, that's no worse than the common cold." /s


Nosfermarki

Can't imagine why hostile countries would ever make an effort to persuade Americans to refuse vaccination against a deadly disease. Certainly no benefit at all in a large portion of the country vehemently opposing public safety measures. The *real* conspiracy is the 5G Bill Gates put in the microchip for reasons.


boverly721

This is by design. Wedge issue. Divide and conquer.


Thomaswiththecru

The Republican party preys on impressionable, uneducated people. Literally all of their pandering on non-economic stuff can be boiled down to this. I'd guess that at least 30% of Republicans do not plan to get the vaccine for some half-baked bullshit reason, likely because they think COVID is fake, created by the libs, or the vaccine is an "infringement on personal liberty." It's amazing what you can do when you demonize intelligence and tell uneducated people that science is fake. Fuck the GOP.


Fuck_love_inthebutt

I really lost it when I was told that my opinion on science is invalidated because I went to a 4 year university... Because universities are "indoctrination centers"...


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Typical. GOP is pro-choice when it comes to their bodies, but won't blink twice at controlling other bodies.


Carbonatite

"My body, my choice." "Your body, my choice."


[deleted]

It's like those asshole kids who demand you share with them and then don't let you play with their toys. And then would scream until your mom forced you to share with them. Those people never grew up, and then got into positions of power.


Senior-Albatross

It's essentially because narcissists can't really comprehend anyone beyond themselves having agency in the same way as themselves. They are just so far and away more important in their own minds than everyone else that it doesn't really register that it would make any sense for the same rules to apply to them.


BoomkinBeaks

Exactly. See how Megan Mcain had a baby and is now saying that we need better parental leave? They don’t give a fuck until it happens to them.


JohnDivney

And yet we get countless headlines that say, "Hey! Conservatives don't treat people equally!" Like it's a fucking newsflash.


underboobfunk

Putting aside that he is both a hypocrite and wrong on both issues, there’s another important point that makes it even worse. He wants the government to dictate the healthcare of trans teens - decisions that affect no one except the teens and their families, yet stay out of his choice not to vaccinate - a decision that puts others at risk.


Spicy_Jade

This is it. Anything that requires minimal critical thinking skills to figure out, his base won't figure out. Thus why they can keep lying about literally anything. I wonder how these imbeciles went from "all politicians lie and don't care about you" to worshipping their party's politicians like gods. Literally brain dead


11thstalley

Paul’s irresponsibility in his personal actions that would spread disease during a pandemic when almost 600,000 Americans have died would be reprehensible for an ordinary citizen, but the fact that he espouses it as a member of the Senate makes him unfit to hold public office. I hope that every voter in KY who has lost a loved one or knows someone who died from COVID or has experienced any health problems from COVID keeps this in mind when this ghoul runs for re-election.


scottthang

"Privacy for me, but not for thee" Rand Paul is just as much a fucking slimeball as Ted Cruz, but even Cruz doesn't tout himself as the world authority on libertarianism while actually being an authoritarian zealot.


sunset117

I bet he was fully vaxx’d, for real. He would and then lie about it.


johnnys_sack

I bet he was vaccinated months ago when it was first available.


wtfwasdat

Rand Paul's decision to stick his head in the toilet and flush every morning is PERSONAL. He LIKES that hair style, Ok? It's called fashion.


Traditional-Level-96

At first I thought, "Wow, there's a lot of comments about Rand Paul and toilets." but then I realized that you posted the other one about him getting a swirly from Trump. Pure genius.


Opening-Resolution-4

Hopefully he doesn't get vaccinated, or wear a seatbelt. It might be better for the country.


wickedweather

Didn't he get Covid-19? Doesn't he only have 1 working lung? If it were me I would be at the front of the line getting the vaccine. I bet he actually already got inoculated, he is just playing politics, pushing the idea that the government shouldn't be involved in his health decisions.


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mightbebrucewillis

> People who care about protecting children don't support legislation or policy that causes them to be more likely to kill themselves. This single statement ought to be enough to put this crap to rest.


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chzplz

Some of them would celebrate it.


dra6000

Important to note that while surgery is never offered to trans minors and has never been done on trans minors for the express purpose of transitioning, many intersex individuals born with genital abnormalities are forcibly operated on as newborns by parents and doctors hoping to make the genitalia conform to societal standards. Many of these kids have to take HRT hormones as minors to live in a sex that was forcibly assigned to them and are often mistaken to be transgender. Later in life, many (but not all) of these individuals grow to resent the decision to assign them a binary gender at birth after finding out. What's more, the majority of intersex individuals and advocacy groups for them agree that this [practice is harmful](https://www.hrw.org/report/2017/07/25/i-want-be-nature-made-me/medically-unnecessary-surgeries-intersex-children-us) to the individual and the cases of resentment (equivalent to the claims of "transgender regret") are not actually hard to find and are *frequently* spoken about. Unlike transgender regret, where claims are dubious and extremely difficult to find. In fact, the [UN Office of the High Commission for Human Rights](https://www.unfe.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/UNFE-Intersex.pdf) specifically says this is torture under the 2nd paragraph in the "Physical Integrity Section" on page 1 of their fact sheet on intersex individuals. >These often irreversible procedures can cause permanent infertility, pain, incontinence, loss of sexual sensation, and lifelong mental suffering, including depression. Regularly performed without the full, free and informed consent of the person concerned, who is frequently too young to be part of the decision-making, these procedures may violate their rights to physical integrity, to be free from torture and ill-treatment, and to live free from harmful practices. But the biggest conspiracy is that many of the bills (if not all the bills) put forth by lawmakers banning surgery have explicit exceptions for “corrective” surgery due to genital “abnormalities” when in many cases the genitals are functional and for obvious reasons I shouldn’t have to explain to the pro life crowd, an infant cannot consent to surgery or HRT! They're actually very easy to find. Take [Texas S.B. 1511](https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/billtext/html/SB01311S.htm) for example. Doing a search using Ctrl+F on the webpage for "exception" yields only a single result stating: >Sec. 161.703. EXCEPTIONS. The prohibitions under Section 161.702 do not apply to the provision by a physician or other health care provider, with the consent of the child's parent or legal guardian, of appropriate and medically necessary gender transitioning or gender reassignment procedures or treatments to a child who: (1) is born with a medically verifiable genetic disorder of sex development, including: (A) 46, XX chromosomes with virilization; (B) 46, XY chromosomes with undervirilization; or (C) both ovarian and testicular tissue; or (2) does not have the normal sex chromosome structure for male or female as determined by a physician through genetic testing. [Tennessee SB 0126](https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/default.aspx?BillNumber=SB0126) which has passed into law has similar text added as an amendment: >except that a healthcare prescriber may prescribe a course of treatment that involves hormone treatments for prepubertal minors for diagnoses of growth deficiencies or other diagnoses unrelated to gender dysphoria or gender incongruency Of course, [Arkansas HB 1570 (the Save Adolescents From Experimentation Act)](https://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/Bills/FTPDocument?path=%2FBills%2F2021R%2FPublic%2FHB1570.pdf) which passed into law says as well: >(B) “Gender transition procedures” do not include:25(i) Services to persons born with a medically verifiable disorder of sex development, including a person with external biological sex characteristics that are irresolvably ambiguous, such as those orn with 46 XX chromosomes with virilization, 46 XY chromosomes with undervirilization, or having both ovarian and testicular tissue Of course, these are the only surgeries performed on minors against their will. In fact, penile circumcision is routinely done as well, without the ability of minors to consent either. In fact, some of these circumcisions are botched leading to destroyed genitalia over a procedure an infant clearly could not consent to undergo. The most famous case of this was with [David Reimer](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/David_Reimer). At his birth in 1965, he (born with healthy male genitalia) was a victim of a botched circumcision. At the time, doctors thought that gender was mostly a social construct and thought raising him as a girl could change that. He was operated on and given female genetials, given a birth certificate assigned "female" after the botched circumcision and forced to take HRT through his puberty. He later found out about this and "transitioned". Even though he was clearly born healthy and took on a cis identity, he suffered from what many transgender people know as gender dysphoria. Along with a series of other issues (like seriously, that family was pretty messed up) he committed suicide in 2004. Make it as you will, but if they were serious they’d ban these very clearly wrong surgeries as well, but they specifically go at lengths not to.


corey_m_snow

This is an excellent point. In the future, I'll incorporate what you've noted here.


dra6000

Hey just wanted to let you know, I updated it with some sources.


polarparadoxical

Their position would be more understandable if, as an example, they were for legislation limiting all cosmetic surgeries for minors to those deemed necessary by medical personal. However, there is no law limiting this in any state, and if your reasoning is that only elective conversion surgery should not be done, it's a blatant attack on trans people instead of law limiting underage individuals from making long-term choices without understanding the consequences.


tgjer

Hell, these awful bills attempting to criminalize safe, fully reversible, frequently life saving transition-related care for trans minors make *explicit exception* for non-consensual medically unnecessary genital surgery on intersex infants. Even though this surgery has proven to be catastrophically damaging, and even though adult intersex advocates emphatically condemn it. Because providing trans youth with the medically recommended care they desperately need and want is unacceptable, but apparently cutting up a newborn's genitals solely because the parents and doctors are uncomfortable with the existence of a child who isn't unambiguously "male" or "female" is just fucking fine. Because these bills have absolutely fucking nothing to do with "protecting" minors from permanent medical decisions, and everything to do with legally enforced gender norms and the elimination of everyone outside those norms.


SleepingPodOne

I recommend posting this to as many anti-trans threads on Joe Rogan‘s sub as you can because that shit is everywhere


corey_m_snow

Being a bigot to trans people is still socially acceptable at the moment. When I was younger, it was OK to hate gay people. When I was even younger than that, there were still a lot of folks who didn't like Black people- or who would say shit like "I'm fine with them as long as they're not doing (X)", where X was playing music, marrying white people, or whatever. I remember when it was OK to use a slur that starts with "r" to refer people with mental disabilities. Point is, bigots will always seek the targets they can oppress without social consequence. Once they begin to experience negative consequences, all of a sudden they slink away- whining about "political correctness" or "woke culture" or "social justice warriors", or whatever. But the pattern will repeat. They'll find another marginalized group to be hateful to. And we'll do it again.


Fuzzy_darkman

Doing good work. Thank you.


hepgiu

This needs to be pasted on top of the whole internet. Not this sub, not reddit. The entire fucking internet. I want your fucking grandma looking for recipes online to see this on top of fucking everything until they know it by heart.


DMCSnake

I agree with your sentiment, but there's already too much bullshit on top of recipes online.


pvhs2008

Idk, I’d rather read this than hear about the author’s attempts to hide the barest amount of vegetal matter under a blanket of ranch packet goop and Kraft singles to appease her three rambunctious boys and manbaby husband.


runujhkj

Oh sweet this chicken parm looks good, gimme that recipe “It all started that fateful day, when the planes struck the two towers”


pvhs2008

Sure, Nana's banana bread recipe has pages of description about her kinks, but I've got a counter full of rapidly browning bananas...


GingerTron2000

GQP: "Gov't shouldn't be able be able to tell me I can't have a gun! My riiights!" Also GQP: "We're going to make it illegal for trans people to exist."


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/05/rand-paul-refuses-covid-vaccine-medical-decisions-personal-trans-peoples-arent/) reduced by 78%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Sen. Rand Paul vowed not to get the COVID-19 vaccine, saying that it's a "Free country" where "Each individual would get to make the medical decision," even though he drew national attention in February with a furious rant in the Senate about how gender-affirming health care should be banned for transgender minors. > At the February Senate hearing, Rand tried to get Dr. Levine to say she supports the government banning doctors from providing gender affirming health care to trans youth, a move that would directly put the government between the families of trans youth and doctors. > The possibility of regret from foregoing the COVID-19 vaccine isn't enough to get Paul to get the vaccine himself, much less support government intervention. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/njzyk0/rand_paul_refuses_covid_vaccine_because_his/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~578995 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **vaccine**^#1 **government**^#2 **medical**^#3 **decision**^#4 **people**^#5


twowheels

It's quite easy...somebody getting gender affirming surgery doesn't affect me in the least but that same person being a viral vector around an immune compromised family member DOES affect me.


KernelKrusto

Is there a vaccine I can take to prevent more Rand Paul?


tgjer

These laws attempting to ban gender affirming care for trans youth are going to result in dead kids. Not only are they trying to ban medically necessary, frequently life saving medical care, a move that has been [**condemned by the American Academy of Pediatrics**](https://services.aap.org/en/news-room/news-releases/aap/2021/american-academy-of-pediatrics-speaks-out-against-bills-harming-transgender-youth/), they're even banning any therapy that doesn't reject any gender atypical to their assigned sex at birth. Meaning the only "therapy" they will allow for trans youth is "conversion therapy", which is [**emphatically condemned as both futile and damaging by the American Psychological Association**](https://www.apa.org/about/policy/resolution-gender-identity-change-efforts.pdf). These attempts to ban gender affirming treatment for trans youth are out of line with the medical recommendations of the [**American Medical Association**](https://www.ama-assn.org/health-care-advocacy/advocacy-update/march-26-2021-state-advocacy-update), the [**Endocrine Society and Pediatric Endocrine Society**](https://www.endocrine.org/news-and-advocacy/news-room/2020/discriminatory-policies-threaten-care-for-transgender-gender-diverse-individuals), the [**American Academy of Pediatrics**](https://services.aap.org/en/news-room/news-releases/aap/2021/american-academy-of-pediatrics-speaks-out-against-bills-harming-transgender-youth/), the [**American Psychological Association**](https://www.psychiatry.org/newsroom/news-releases/frontline-physicians-oppose-legislation-that-interferes-in-or-criminalizes-patient-care), and the [**American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry**](https://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Latest_News/AACAP_Statement_Responding_to_Efforts-to_ban_Evidence-Based_Care_for_Transgender_and_Gender_Diverse.aspx). Since anything relating to trans youth and medical treatment almost inevitably brings out the *"kids are being castrated!"* and *"90% of trans kids desist and will regret transition!"* concern trolling in defense of terrible legislation like this: No, that is not how this works. That's not how any of this works. [**This article**](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/opinion/transgender-children-medical-bills.html) has a pretty good overview of why. [**Psychology Today has one too**](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/202008/three-popular-myths-about-transgender-youth), and [**here**](http://assets2.hrc.org/files/documents/SupportingCaringforTransChildren.pdf) are the guidelines from the AAP. TL;DR version - yes, young children can identify their own gender, and some of those young kids are trans. A child who is Gender A but who is assumed to be Gender B based on their visible anatomy at birth can suffer debilitating distress over this conflict. The *"90% desist"* claim is a myth based on debunked studies, and transition is a very long, slow, cautious process for trans youth. According to the [**American Academy of Pediatrics**](https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/gradeschool/Pages/Gender-Identity-and-Gender-Confusion-In-Children.aspx), gender is typically expressed by around age 4. It probably forms [**much earlier**](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3747736/), but it's hard to tell with pre-verbal infants. And sometimes the gender expressed is not the one typically associated with the child's appearance. The genders of trans children are as [**stable**](http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/02/peds.2013-2958) as those of [**cisgender children**](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797614568156). For preadolescents transition is entirely social, and for adolescents the first line of medical care is 100% temporary puberty delaying treatment that has no long term effects. Hormone therapy isn't an option until their mid teens, by which point the chances that they will "desist" are close to zero. Reconstructive genital surgery is not an option until their late teens/early 20's at the youngest. And transition-related medical care is recognized as medically necessary, frequently life saving medical care by every major medical authority. Withholding medical care from an adolescent who needs it is not a goddamn neutral option. Transition is absolutely necessary to keep many trans kids alive. Without transition a hell of a lot of them commit suicide. When able to transition rates of suicide attempts drop to the national average. And when prevented from transitioning or starting treatment until adulthood, those who survive long enough to start at 18+ enter adulthood facing thousands of dollars reconstructive surgery to repair damage that should have been prevented by starting treatment when they needed it. And not all that damage can be repaired. They will carry physical and psychological scars from being forced through the wrong puberty for the rest of their lives. They were robbed of their adolescence, forced to spend it dealing with the living hell of untreated dysphoria and the wrong puberty, trying to remain sane and alive while their bodies were warped in indescribably horrifying ways. Even with treatment as adults, some of them will be left permanently, visibly trans. In addition to the sheer horror of permanently having anatomy inappropriate to your gender, this means they will never have the option of blending into a crowd or keeping their medical history private. They will be exposed to vastly higher rates of anti-trans harassment, discrimination, abuse, and violence, all because they were denied the treatment they needed when they were young. This is very literally life saving medical care. If there is even a chance that an adolescent may be trans, there is absolutely no reason to withhold 100% temporary and fully reversible hormone blockers to delay puberty for a little while until they're sure. This treatment is 100% temporary and fully reversible; it does nothing but buy time by delaying the onset of permanent physical changes. This treatment is very safe and well known, because it has been used for decades to delay puberty in children who would have otherwise started it inappropriately young. If an adolescent starts this treatment then realizes medical transition isn't what they need, they stop treatment and puberty picks up where it left off. There are no permanent effects, and it significantly improves trans youth's mental health and [**lowers suicidality**](https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2020/01/21/peds.2019-1725). But if an adolescent starts this treatment, socially transitions (or continues if they have already done so), and by their early/mid-teens they still strongly identify as a gender atypical to their appearance at birth, the chances of them changing their minds later are basically zero. At that point hormone therapy becomes an option, and even that is still mostly reversible, especially in its early stages. The only really irreversible step is reconstructive genital surgery and/or the removal of one's gonads, which isn't an option until the patient is in their late teens at the earliest. This specter of little kids being pressured into transition and rapidly pushed into permanent physical changes is a complete myth. It just isn't happening. And this fear-mongering results in nothing except trans youth who desperately do need to transition being discouraged and prevented from doing so. Withholding medical treatment from an adolescent who desperately needs it is not a neutral option. The only disorders more common among trans people are those associated with abuse and discrimination - mainly anxiety and depression. Early transition [**virtually eliminates these higher rates of depression and low self-worth**](http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567%2816%2931941-4/fulltext), and [**dramatically improves trans youth's mental health**](https://thinkprogress.org/allowing-transgender-youth-to-transition-improves-their-mental-health-study-finds-dd6096523375/#.pqspdcee0). When prevented from transitioning about 40% of trans kids will attempt suicide. When able to transition that rate drops to the national average. Trans kids who socially transition early, have access to appropriate transition related medical treatment, and who are not subjected to abuse or discrimination are [**comparable to cisgender children in measures of mental health**](https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/134/4/696) Transition [**vastly reduces risks of suicide attempts**](https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-015-1867-2), and the farther along in transition someone is the lower that risk gets. The ability to transition, along with family and social acceptance, are the [**largest factors reducing suicide risk among trans people**](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3722435/). Citations to follow in a second post.


tgjer

**Citations on transition as medically necessary and the only effective treatment for gender dysphoria, as recognized by every major US and world medical authority:** * Here is a resolution from the [**American Psychological Association**](https://www.apa.org/about/policy/resolution-gender-identity.pdf); *"THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that APA recognizes the efficacy, benefit and medical necessity of gender transition treatments for appropriately evaluated individuals and calls upon public and private insurers to cover these medically necessary treatments."* More from the APA [**here**](http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/programs/transgender/?tab=1) * Here is an [**AMA resolution**](http://www.tgender.net/taw/ama_resolutions.pdf) on the efficacy and necessity of transition as appropriate treatment for gender dysphoria, and call for an end to insurance companies categorically excluding transition-related care from coverage * A policy statement from the [**American College of Physicians**](http://annals.org/aim/article/2292051/lesbian-gay-bisexual-transgender-health-disparities-executive-summary-policy-position) * [**Here**](https://assets2.hrc.org/files/documents/SupportingCaringforTransChildren.pdf) are the American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines * [**Here**](https://www.aafp.org/dam/AAFP/documents/events/alf_ncsc/Education.pdf) is a resolution from the American Academy of Family Physicians * [**Here**](https://www.socialworkers.org/assets/secured/documents/da/da2008/reffered/Transgender.pdf) is one from the National Association of Social Workers * [**Here**](https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/PS02_18.pdf) is one from the Royal College of Psychiatrists, [**here**](https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/docs/default-source/improving-care/better-mh-policy/college-reports/cr181-good-practice-guidelines-for-the-assessment-and-treatment-of-adults-with-gender-dysphoria.pdf) are the treatment guidelines from the RCP, and [**here**](http://www.wlmht.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Gender-dysphoria-guide-for-GPs-and-other-healthcare-staff.pdf) are guidelines from the NHS. More from the NHS [**here**](http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gender-dysphoria/Pages/Treatment.aspx). ---- **Citations on the transition's dramatic reduction of suicide risk while improving mental health and quality of life, with trans people able to transition young and spared abuse and discrimination having mental health and suicide risk on par with the general public:** * [**Pubertal Suppression for Transgender Youth and Risk of Suicidal Ideation**](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7073269/) - Turban, et al., 2020: Massive study of 20,619 adolescents examined associations between access to pubertal suppression and adult mental health outcomes, including multiple measures of suicidality. After adjustment for demographic variables and level of family support for gender identity, those who received treatment with pubertal suppression, when compared with those who wanted pubertal suppression but did not receive it, had lower odds of lifetime suicidal ideation. * [**Association Between Gender-Affirming Surgeries and Mental Health Outcomes**](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/2779429) - Almazan, et. al. 2021: Trans people with a history of gender-affirming surgery had significantly lower odds of past-month psychological distress, past-year tobacco smoking, and past-year suicidal ideation compared with trans people with no history of gender-affirming surgery. * [**The Mental Health of Transgender Youth: Advances in Understanding**](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1054139X1630146X) - Connolly, et. al, 2016: *"Gender-affirming medical therapy and supported social transition in childhood have been shown to correlate with improved psychological functioning for gender-variant children and adolescents." * [**Chosen Name Use Is Linked to Reduced Depressive Symptoms, Suicidal Ideation, and Suicidal Behavior Among Transgender Youth**](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1054139X18300855) - Russell, et. al, 2018: *"After adjusting for personal characteristics and social support, chosen name use in more contexts was associated with lower depression, suicidal ideation, and suicidal behavior. Depression, suicidal ideation, and suicidal behavior were lowest when chosen names could be used in all four contexts."* * [**Well-being and suicidality among transgender youth after gender-affirming hormones**](https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2019-52280-009) - Watson, et. al, 2019: *"Results: After gender-affirming hormones, a significant increase in levels of general well-being and a significant decrease in levels of suicidality were observed."* * [**Evaluation of Anxiety and Depression in a Community Sample of Transgender Youth**](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2778206) - Dominic J. Gibson, et. al, 2021: Socially transitioned transgender youth had similar levels of anxiety and depression as their cisgender peers. * [**Bauer, et al., 2015**](http://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-015-1867-2): Transition vastly reduces risks of suicide attempts, and the farther along in transition someone is the lower that risk gets * [**Moody, et al., 2013**](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3722435/): The ability to transition, along with family and social acceptance, are the largest factors reducing suicide risk among trans people * [**Young Adult Psychological Outcome After Puberty Suppression and Gender Reassignment**](https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1542/peds.2013-2958). A clinical protocol of a multidisciplinary team with mental health professionals, physicians, and surgeons, including puberty suppression, ... cross-sex hormones and gender reassignment surgery, provides trans youth the opportunity to develop into well-functioning young adults. All showed significant improvement in their psychological health, and they had notably lower rates of internalizing psychopathology than previously reported among trans children living as their natal sex. **Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population.** * The only disorders more common among trans people are those associated with abuse and discrimination - mainly anxiety and depression. Early transition [**virtually eliminates these higher rates of depression and low self-worth**](https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jaac.2016.10.016), and [**dramatically improves trans youth's mental health**](https://archive.thinkprogress.org/allowing-transgender-youth-to-transition-improves-their-mental-health-study-finds-dd6096523375/). **Trans kids who socially transition early and not subjected to abuse are comparable to cisgender children in measures of mental health.** * [**Dr. Ryan Gorton**](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3219066): “In a cross-sectional study of 141 transgender patients, Kuiper and Cohen-Kittenis found that after medical intervention and treatments, suicide fell from 19% to 0% in transgender men and from 24% to 6% in transgender women” * [**Murad, et al., 2010**](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19473181): "Significant decrease in suicidality post-treatment. The average reduction was from 30 percent pretreatment to 8 percent post treatment. * [**De Cuypere, et al., 2006**](http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1158136006000491): Rate of suicide attempts dropped from 29.3 percent to 5.1 percent after receiving medical treatment among Dutch patients treated from 1986-2001. * [**UK study - McNeil, et al., 2012**](https://www.scottishtrans.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/trans_mh_study.pdf): "Suicidal ideation and actual attempts reduced after transition, with 63% thinking about or attempting suicide more before they transitioned and only 3% thinking about or attempting suicide more post-transition. * [**Smith Y, 2005**](http://orca.cf.ac.uk/32618/1/Smith%202005.pdf): Participants improved on 13 out of 14 mental health measures after treatment * [**Lawrence, 2003**](http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1024086814364): Surveyed post-op trans folk: "Participants reported overwhelmingly that they were happy with their SRS results and that SRS had greatly improved the quality of their lives * [**Reduction in Mental Health Treatment Utilization Among Transgender Individuals After Gender-Affirming Surgeries: A Total Population Study**](https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1176/appi.ajp.2019.19010080) - "***Conclusions:*** *"... the longitudinal association between gender-affirming surgery and reduced likelihood of mental health treatment lends support to the decision to provide gender-affirming surgeries to transgender individuals who seek them."* There are a [***lot***](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24344788) of [**studies**](http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-009-9551-1) showing that [**transition**](https://mayoclinic.pure.elsevier.com/en/publications/hormonal-therapy-and-sex-reassignment-a-systematic-review-and-met) [**improves**](https://www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2014/960745/) [**mental health**](http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/25690443) and [**quality of life**](http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-014-0453-5) while [**reducing dysphoria**](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23553588_Long-term_Assessment_of_the_Physical_Mental_and_Sexual_Health_among_Transsexual_Women). Not to mention [**this 2010 meta-analysis**](http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x/abstract) of 28 different studies, which found that transition is extremely effective at reducing dysphoria and improving quality of life.


tgjer

Citations #2: **Condemnation of "Gender Identity Change Efforts", aka "conversion therapy", which attempts to change trans people's genders so they are happy and comfortable as their assigned sex at birth:** * [**From the APA**](http://www.apa.org/about/policy/orientation-diversity.aspx). More detailed condemnation of "Gender Identity Change Efforts" for trans youth or adults [**here**](https://www.apa.org/about/policy/resolution-gender-identity-change-efforts.pdf). * From the [**American College of Physicians**](http://annals.org/aim/article/2292051/lesbian-gay-bisexual-transgender-health-disparities-executive-summary-policy-position) * In the [**AAP Guidelines**](http://hrc-assets.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com//files/documents/SupportingCaringforTransChildren.pdf) - see coverage on this "therapy" starting p.12 * From the [**American Psychoanalytic Association**](http://www.apsa.org/content/2012-position-statement-attempts-change-sexual-orientation-gender-identity-or-gender) * A joint statement from the [**UK Council for Psychotherapy, British Association for Counseling and Psychotherapy, British Psychoanalytic Council, British Association for Behavioural and Cognitive Psychotherapies, The British Psychological Society, College of Sexual and Relationship Therapists, The Association of LGBT Doctors and Dentists, The National Counselling Society, NHS Scotland, Pink Therapy, Royal College of General Practitioners, the Scottish Government and Stonewall.**](http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/01/16/health-experts-condemn-attempts-to-cure-trans-people-in-wake-of-controversial-bbc-documentary/)


corey_m_snow

Thank you!


ctkatz

I voted for jack conway and jim gray. I will be voting for charles booker.


MetalMamaRocks

Me too. Rand Paul is a disgrace.


excusemeforliving

I'm never sad about my decision to leave Kentucky


Ifwokeugobroke

Republicans live by "Rules for thee, not for me".


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SasparillaTango

Whether or not im drunk while doing 100 down I-95 is my personal business and the government should stay out of it


candre23

"I refuse to stop at red lights because my driving decisions are personal." Your decisions stop being "personal" when they *risk the lives* of other people.


Proximity

This man somehow got his M.D. but is stupider than the dog shit stuck to the bottom of a shoe.


SnakeJG

What's great about this is that his decision to not get the vaccine affects everyone he has contact with. His refusing is literally a public health hazard. On the other hand, gender-affirming health care literally affects nobody except the person who gets it.


MrLlama2691

Rand Paul is just an idiot...


lennybird

Conservatives will intentionally do the wrong thing so fiercely because they want to have the freedom of choice to do the wrong thing, even if it's a detriment to society.


kensredemption

His brain is smoother than my bowel movements, at least.


boopbaboop

Rand Paul is exactly like his dad: libertarian except when it suits him. According to the Pauls, it's government tyranny to [prevent segregation](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/ron-paul-would-have-opposed-civil-rights-act-1964/350680/) [by federal law](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/rand-pauls-rewriting-of-his-own-remarks-on-the-civil-rights-act/2013/04/10/5b8d91c4-a235-11e2-82bc-511538ae90a4_blog.html), and [even allowing federal courts to discuss LGBTQ issues is judicial activism](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/hr4379/text), but it's perfectly fine to try to ban abortion on a federal level [five separate times](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctity_of_Life_Act) (in the case of Ron) or [six separate times](https://www.congress.gov/member/rand-paul/P000603?q={%22search%22:[%22conception%22],%22within%22:[%22conception%22]}&searchResultViewType=expanded) (in the case of Rand). To the Pauls, "libertarianism" means "free to be as much of a bigot as I want to be, but with the power to prevent anything I don't like."


DriftMantis

At least Ron Paul was better at pretending to not be a tyrant than Rand, who just can't help himself.


Dendad1218

Rules for thee , not for me.


Jarrodslips

I am shocked that someone like Rand Paul exists...


Vinnys_Magic_Grits

Sometimes I think of how Rand was treated as a semi-serious presidential candidate during the 2012 primaries. Now he's a complete sideshow, his messaging is all over the fucking place. When his dad was still lucid he would just parrot whatever Ron was saying, now he'll go from a traditional libertarian talking point to straight up rightwing authoritarianism in the blink of an eye.


themarknessmonster

Let's use his own logic against him. If his medical decisions are personal, then everyone's is, and access should not be restricted based on that logic alone. GOPs are fucking morons.


GoldenDaVinci

Rand Paul is a piece of shit


RhythmSectionWantAd

His medical decision effects those around him, a trans person's doesn't.


Patmando14

Didn't he have the virus and then go swimming in the Congressional swimming pool last May? He is something beyond hypocritical :(


wickedpissahdood

Rand Paul and anyone who supports him sucks.


Davge107

Rand Paul is a lying hypocritical traitor.


CombatMuffin

Someone working towards changing their biological sex doesn't harm anyone. Someone not taking a vaccine and spreading a virus threatens us all.


DaichiEarth

Rand Paul: Rules for thee but not for me.


MaximusGrassimus

Republicans, "It's a personal choice, until it hurts my feelings"


Few-Sky-303

Banana republicans: medical decisions are personal and people don't want the gov't telling them what to do. Also banana republicans: We don't want women deciding what happens in their own vagina.


RedEelz

Dear Kentucky, Please un-fu** your current senator situation. Sincerely, Non-maga-Americans


oced2001

As a Kentuckian, fuck Rand Paul.


clickmagnet

If you announce you’re not getting vaccinated, isn’t that kind of making your medical information public?


PaticusMaximus

Rand Paul is a hack who loves to brag about his medical “education” where none of that education has anything to do with virology/immunology. It’s shameful that his voters can’t see through that.


Gary238

Rand Paul is a dumb mean clown playing to a voter base that loves dumb mean clowns.


CndFox1975

What a complete disappointment this little "banny rooster" has turned out to be. I'll bet he would choose to argue with a "stop sign". So sick and tired of these "libertarians" who are nothing more than cynical, negative, divisive people. All defiant emotion with no "sane" policies to debate. Oh...LOL.. and.he's an ophthalmologist....not a real doctor.


speedyth

Ophthalmologists are doctors the same way an OB/GYN is. They are both highly specialized professions.


Id_rather_be_high42

Liberty for me, subjugation for thee


polarparadoxical

Sure, medical decisions are personal, but viruses and communicable diseases are public health issues, not private ones. I.E. - Viruses don't care much about your personal beliefs and will infect your neighbor even if they are libertarians.


MrBitterJustice

How about not letting him into the congress building until he is vaccinated? Seems like a safety issue to me.


raptorbluez

Rand Paul's world view ends at the tip of his nose. I doubt if he even sees other people as real, separate individuals. Typical for a psychopath.


LemurianLemurLad

Rand "[I couldn't pass the exams, so screw you I'm making my own approvals board](https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/103053-rand-pauls-medical-certification-questioned)" Paul? That Rand Paul? Other than the fact he's in congress, his medical opinions are about as valid as those of the crazy cat lady at the end of my block. Hey guys! I'm a surgeon too! The crackerjack box told me it's okay!


txn_gay

If I wanted badly-performed eye surgery by a doctor with a sketchy license, then Rand Paul would be my choice. Otherwise, I’ll refer to actual experts.


BecauseSeven8Nein

As a Kentuckian, FUCK. THIS. DUDE.


Scarlet109

Friendly reminder that this guy lost his certification and created his own board of medicine to re-certify himself. Calling him “doctor” is generous.


JoeyJoeJoeJrShabidou

Rand Paul can go suck a fart...


CrossP

Libertarian for me; not for thee.


Grumpified

The more this guy talks the more empathy I feel towards his neighbor. He probably antagonized that poor guy until he snapped and gave him the ass-kicking he deserved.


inquisitiveeyebc

Another idiot who wants to make rules for everyone but doesn't think the rules apply to him


cynicalhysteria

His public statements indicate he's not intelligent enough to have an opinion on the matter.


Tommy-1111

Well allow me to speak for millions of people across the United States; Fuck Rand Paul. Thank you for listening.


Brightcolorsanddirt

I really hope there's an investigative journalist out there trying to find out how many of these assholes have had the vaccine they claim they haven't to rile up their base. Normally, I wouldn't advocate that kind of intrusion of privacy, but when public health is at stake, bad actors need to be taken off the board.


PathlessDemon

He’s also a “doctor” of optometry. His certification is a loophole based out of KY.


pasarina

He’s been vaccinated. Paul is not publicizing that fact because of his base of wackos who follow rich, psychopathic liars who like to pretend they buck the system.


meatcakes69

Women should run male healthcare for a while. Unfortunately, the irony would be lost on men.


Randysteele992

Rand Paul is scum


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S0uless_Ging1r

I really wouldn't be surprised if he actually got the vaccine and is just saying he won't.


Saca_La_Bolsita_

Yeeaahh..Did.you.Not.realize HYPOCRISY is a MAIN tenet of the Republicans?!!?


popepaulpops

We should just tell conservatives they can't get the vaccine. Then they would protest and line up to get it. They are basically a bunch of defiant children