Tampa Bay Lighting security asking an 11 year old and his father to remove their Panthers jerseys
By - VistFoundation
That doesnt change the fact that it's a stupid policy
Snowflakes melting down in Tampa when the opposing fans come to town.
They aren’t coming to town for the game. They most likely already live here, and homers are sick of their shit.
Snowflakes melting down in Tampa because some people like the other team
Yes my Blues are out of the playoffs and I’m now certain it was the 2 fans in Forsberg and Roy jerseys. Pathetic policy.
Garbage policy. Surprised fans stand for that.
Edit. Looks like it only applies to club seats and is clearly spelled out in their policy. So this guy knew the deal. Still dumb, but this guy is looking for a fight.
I remember it was back in 2016 or 2017 the Lightning did this when the played the Pens in the conference finals. They said it only applied to the lower bowl seats and so a few apparel companies in Pittsburgh started selling Penguins shirts in TBL colors to get around the policy.
As much as I don’t like the penguins that was a pro gamer move and I support it
Pretty crazy to have a rule that prevents a fan from wearing a certain jersey because they sit somewhere.
Does someone know if this is the case in any other pro sport?
It happens in European football as fans have a history of hooliganism and fighting. TBL has no such problem.
Those places have specific sections for visiting fans though, because the home team expects visiting fans to come.
I’ve been to Amalie Arena and did not have a good experience with the Tampa fans that sat behind us, because we were wearing fan apparel, not a jersey, of the opposing team.
As opposed to Tampa having a specific section for home fans...
Having a section for opposition fans encourages participation. Having a section for only your fans in an arena or stadium that is already built for your fans... is a form of intolerance.
How? 97% is a free for all. How is it unfair to have a small section to strictly adhere to being home fans?
So let’s say you go to your favourite cafe/coffee place, and there is a line for people who live in that city, but also there is another line. The other line is for people who don’t live in the city. Who may be visiting family, who may be travelling, who may not go to the city very often. That exclusion would be okay as well?
The difference in the arena is inviting someone in, saying here we have this place set aside for you, as apposed to no, because you aren’t from here you can’t sit over there.
>as apposed to no, because you aren’t from here you can’t sit over there.
Lies and falsehood. They don't check your birth certificate when you go to your seats.
Usually fans of a team are from that city, so I was generalizing, not suggesting they would actually check your passport or drivers license lol
Kind of true. I grew up in Europe going to football games. There are specific sections for the visiting team fans but you can literally sit anywhere in any part of the stadium with any shirt you want. This video is absolutely absurd.
I think I’ve heard the Diamondbacks do this too, but only with dodger fans.
Right this is a dumb rule but the guy is totally being an entitled asshole. He had the rules explained to him and she offers him multiple solutions to the problem and hes saying she has attitude and being argumentative while he refuses to do anything and invokes the swastika policy
that's where he lost my support
Surely he also an anti-masker.
Yup should be stated also you can’t transfer these seat to non club member
Some teams don’t sell out their season tickets and have the option to sell to the general public. Still private property and they can have codes of conduct.
They're still doing this stupidity? I remember hearing about this during the 2015 ECF vs Rangers, but thought it was some temporary policy to stop the NY snowbirds from overrunning the arena.
Honestly this is so silly. I could understand the issue if he had a sign or he was wearing an offensive shirt. It’s a hockey game and he’s wearing a hockey jersey. It shouldn’t matter what team it is. They should just let the fans enjoy the game. He paid for the seat.
Can someone explain if club seats are generally better/easier to get? Because if away fans have to sit in garbage seats just because they have another jersey, that sucks. But if "club seats" are just like a special section like the student section at a college game then I can understand why the policy exists.
Basically I just need to know how special this club seating is before I determine who's right. I think ideally fans should be able to just freely mix in the majority of the arena but if the home teams wants a special home team section I guess they can have it so long as I'm not getting ass blasted just because I live close to the wrong team's stadium.
Anyway I say this as a Red Wings fan who's thinking about trying to go see a game at Bridgestone Arena next season so please somebody assure me I can get decent seats that aren't jacked up where the worst thing that can happen is I get booed by home fans.
Honestly getting booed by the home fans is part of the excitement of why I want to go 🍻
I think club seats are more expensive, they probably have access to a VIP lounge or different amenities/concessions.
If that's the case then that's silly why is he paying specifically for those seats
Not sure. Some are saying the policy is only for the first 3 rows, not the entire club section. Still, a crappy policy to make it look like its a total Lightning crowd on tv, even if the rest of the arena may be filled with opposing fans (not that it is at the moment). Albeit, these were probably pretty dang expensive seats.
Probably because seats are in high demand and Florida isn’t in the playoffs that much, let alone against a rival. There probably weren’t many options for good seats in the lower bowl where the prices weren’t already super inflated.
What a fragile fanbase.
Is it the fan base that's implementing the policy or the people running the arena?
Yeah because the fans got together and decided on this policy....
This is stupid. Absolutely stupid. They can't wear a jersey of a different team in which the Lightning are playing against? Mind-boggling.
Wow. Could you imagine if someone from either the NFL, the NBA, the MLB or the MLS did this? There would be a big uproar.
It sounds like they're in club seats.
What difference does it make if they’re in club seats? This is a completely absurd policy lol
Dude this psycho started talking about hitler and it’s just a policy …. Grow up guys it’s a private venue not public
I was outraged at first until I realized that he's sitting in club seats and it sounds like he was told that he couldn't wear them in the club (seats) and then told at the venue that he can't wear them in the club seats.
Here in the UK they have an "away" section of you want to wear the away team's jersey, dude shouldn't have bought club seats if he wanted to cheer for Tampa to lose.
Wow I didn’t know people supported these kind of fragile policies. What difference does it make where he’s sitting?
Team club seats. You don't support the team, you're not a part of the club. Not that it's usually enforced.
The big issue isn't the "fragile" (terrible buzzword, BTW, pick a new one) policy, or the fact that Tampa wanted to enforce it (they should be happy they can get ticket revenue at all), but the fact that the man had to act like such a self-entitled dick bag (guy breaks rules, expects them to change the rules for him). He's acting as though he wasn't the one who singled himself out. You don't stroll into a VIP club and get shocked when they ask you to leave and say "oh it's just because I'm wearing a blue shirt".
“Team club seats” that are sold to the general public. Then restrict them to just people who live in Tampa if they’re that worried about an opposing teams jersey (a team they’re playing against) being in camera view. It’s a completely absurd policy to dictate what kind of sweater you’re wearing at a game. If Tampa just wants blue and white then they should just play against themselves.
>“Team club seats” that are sold to the general public.
Imagine having a policy and expecting people to respect it without doing background checks of every person who buys a certain type of ticket.
If they’re sold to the public then why even have an absurd “you can only wear the home team colors in these seats because of the cameras” policy? I’ve never heard of this insanity at any other arena or in any other sport. I follow an original 6 team. Is this normal with expansion franchises in small markets? Why is this policy even necessary?
>If they’re sold to the public then why even have an absurd “you can only wear the home team colors in these seats because of the cameras” policy?
Because it's a business and a big part of it is optics. That's my guess, anyway.
>I’ve never heard of this insanity at any other arena or in any other sport.
In soccer they separate the fans because the "ultras" tend to fight each other.
I grew up in Europe. They have sections for away fans mostly for the ultras but I can literally sit anywhere else I want in any section of the stadium wearing the opposing team shirt and it’s allowed. Ultras aren’t regular fans like this guy and his kid were. They’re like gangs. You have to be a member to be in one.
Could I sit in the section reserved for the visiting team's ultras wearing the home kit?
You could but you would get your ass kicked.
1. This isn’t the UK.
2. This isn’t football culture where away fans risk getting jumped by drunken home supporters just for supporting a different club.
3. This policy is incredibly stupid, multiple teams have had similar ones before only to see them be changed due to public backlash.. the sens did it to leaf fans in the 2000s and attendance numbers dropped off so hard that the sens had to revoke the policy to get fans back into the building.
4. Your argument about them being “club seats” is invalid, teams have no right to refuse you entry to your seat just because you support the other team, especially when those tickets are being sold to the general public and not specifically to home fans.
If you break the rules, any rule at all no matter how stupid you should face the consequences. This guy had, according to the information provided, at least 3 chances to understand that what he wanted to do was against the rules. When buying the tickets, the email after buying the tickets, the phone call before the game. Everyone explained the rules to him and he chose to disregard them.
The only reason the outcome is as it was is that he made the response to his own breaking of the rules public. This is 10% of the current seating capacity that the team wanted reserved for fans of the home team. And the fact that anyone who sees this and doesn't think "Florida man" is a fucking idiot is just astounding.
I guess you didn’t listen in the video. Guy stated 3 times that the ticket sales person said it was not a problem that he was a panthers fan sitting in the club section and they did not specify that he couldn’t wear an opposing teams jersey... if they didn’t fuck up then they wouldn’t have changed their policy as soon as this hit the news
He clearly says that he was told he wasn't allowed to wear the jersey in the "clubs" but that "stadium" was fine. Clearly manipulating the wording as he's in the club seats.
I remember them doing this before as well.
What complete arrogance. You can't have opposing teams fans wear their jerseys in the lower bowl? Why?
Do you need to create a false sense of support?
I mean for gods sake, the state of Florida is filled with tons of transplants from all over the US and Canada who attend because they still support their old team. Tampa and Florida wouldn't even have teams if it weren't for all the northerners who moved down there to retire.
This is bullshit
This is fucking bullshit
The policy is literally only for club seats in less than 3 rows in the entire arena. If you buy these seats the policy is very clearly stated that you cannot wear opponents jerseys.
Yeah I’m aware
How is that a stupid policy then?
This is reddit and seats reserved for people who support the home team is basically National Socialism.
It’s a stupid policy. But, it’s the policy and he has to abide by the policy or leave. Also I really don’t think the female employee was being any less respectful than the male employee, despite the guy saying she “has an attitude.”
Also, I’m sure there’s also something in the rules that says you can’t wear something that promotes hate, so no you can’t wear a shirt with a nazi swastika on it.
More proof Tampa is a joke and never deserved a franchise.
Lmao somebody needs a shaker to fill all that salt with!
And yet we have 2 cups and have been a top 3 team in the league for years now.
Yeah totally. Watching a team win where hockey is practically non existent compared to any of the northern markets seems like a waste. Florida is on their way out only a matter of time before Tampa goes with it.
Hoes mad, hoes mad, hoes mad 🎵
This is the most biased and self entitled rule and it should not be tolerated. This is a sporting event. Who the hell are the Lightning to dictate who can and can't attend and what team's jersey they are permitted to wear? Who the hell are they to dictate that fans of the opposing team can't come and support their team?? I think this is a dangerous "policy" and the NHL should shut this BS down immediately!
Well, it *is* their arena, so they can do with it as they please. Just like the predators would only sell tickets to folks with local zip codes in their billing address at one point. At the end of the day, it’s a bullshit policy, but they are well within their right to do it.
Because of this guys video going viral, MANY people were livid. In response Tampa Bay Lightning just changed their policy and now fans can wear the opposing team's jersey. 🙂
If it were the whole arena I'd agree it's bullshit, but it's literally one section. It's simple, as an opposing fan don't buy those seats.
I don’t disagree, but I also see why folks get in a froth about it.
All the outraged people are hilarious
Wow .. crossing Tampa off my roadtrip list
Exactly, after watching this I’ll never go see a game in Tampa. They don’t deserve hockey fans anymore.
Fuck Gary !
Just a horrible policy. Kinda shocked the league actually allows this because this is so stupid
Do you know the actual policy that you hate so much?
Yes. Don’t try to defend it because you’re a lightning fan. Even they got rid of the policy
Holy shit, this is insane. Tampa has been my "team in the East" for years but now, fuck Tampa. I want a statement from the league about this.
Lol you guys should actually read the policy before getting your panties in a bunch.
It’s literally only for club seats in 3 rows in the entire arena. It’s clearly stated if you buy these seats what the policy is.
But continue the outrage.
Who cares about the policy when the policy is wrong
Just cause it’s three rows doesn’t make it better. Tampa is fragile clearly no fan base big enough to ensure a packed house. Even if you guys win hockey in Florida is clearly not viable.
You clearly don’t know of Tampa’s love for the Lightning nor of our consistent 100% attendance. Information is literally open source. Don’t embarrass yourself.
What’s their reasoning?
How does that justify this though? To me this just shows a fragile ownership group that couldn't fathom that some fans in the stadium might not be cheering for their team.
Lmao how fragile are you? Go read the policy, it's a tiny fraction of club seats that this rule applies to.
What a piece of shit. The policy is clear. This asshole knew it, and had his phone ready to take the video. Poor kid.
Lmao. I have no nice words for you.
This guy must work there
All these people are mad about this policy not realizing its literally put in place to keep Boston fans out of Amalie.
You can still wear an opponent jersey in 97% of the arena seats.
To everybody commenting: just don't sit on the club seats and you can do what you like.
I personally don't agree with it either but there's no point crying over something so easy to avoid.
There's no reason no to go and see a game at Tampa (other than its in Florida of course) and deprive yourself of seeing you own team play there; just follow the rules, even if they're silly.
It's harder to ignore the rules and argue about it that just book a seat that's not club.
This is so stupid and infuriating.
Holy Smokes. It’s becoming the North Korean Hockey League
They should have a designated away section at hockey games just like they do in soccer. Especially during these playoff games!
They do: it's called 'not club seats' and it makes up 97% of the arena.
How UnAmerican is this?! It literally violates your first amendment rights! Way to fuck this up NHL, great job!
Please explain which part of the first amendment that violates?
It is private property and they potentially dealing with TV optics and marketing. Plus this is the “club section” of the stadium and many private institutions have dress codes and codes of conduct. Even at schools, public institutions like court. This video is created to stir up shit. The rest of the stadium is fair game for it seems which quite open policy. Imagine being allowed in a Synagogue yet wearing a Swastika.
It’s private property you’re totally right, and to enter that property you must purchase a ticket, which he did. Imagine being told you couldn’t sit in a seat that you legally purchased from the NHL, because you wore a jersey that you also purchased from the NHL...or you couldn’t sit in a specific section because you’re black or Korean or a woman. It’s a sporting event in the United States. No parent or child should ever be threatened to be removed from their seats by the police due to the color of their shirt.
I agree with you that it’s petty rule to have in Modern day but also can see it from the “club seats” perspective. This is an area for season ticket holders and usually they root for their home team. The organization has created a space for home support and they clearly state that in their ticket policies.
The general area of the stadium is pretty much a free for all. This stadium has chosen to release club seat tickets to the general public and had strict conduct rules in place. Would it be fare to insult their club section guests who also pay money for an expectation of a home support section? These other customers are paying for an experience as well and the tickets were sold w a clear disclaimer on dress etiquette.
The father and son had a choice. Buy regular tickets or come to the club section and behave.
At stadiums they often also have family sections where they don’t allow alcohol. They also don’t encourage standing as adults can block the view of kids. The section is mostly sittting. Imagine if some starts standing and being loud or demanding drinks cause 2 rows over people are drinking. Its just a drink and why does the security have to control me?
I can see your point regarding the perspective of the season ticket holders, sure.
But the come to the club section and behave? Idk...is supporting your team misbehaving? What if they did take off the jersey’s? Could they be removed from their seats because they cheered when their team scored? Is that offensive to the season ticket holders? Does that justify police intervention?
It’s definitely a terrible policy that is meant to target away fans. Just because you like a different team doesn’t mean your a problem and need to be removed by police. It doesn’t seem like the NHL cares about the fans, just the home fans.
I’m with you, no one likes drunk idiots at games.
I think the petty rules end with the jerseys. They can cheer and boo all they want. The club area’s aren’t the entire stadium so this visitor fans could have chosen to buy other tickets and wear their jerseys especially if the sales made it clear. The video initially made me side w the parent and kid but hearing it was the club section, it’s not hard for me to accept it’s reasonable.
>The organization has created a **SAFE**space for home support
Do you know what the first amendment is?
Explain how a private corporation can impact your constitutional rights.
It’s an entertainment event. This is a specific club section and not the entire stadium. Other paying guests with rights are paying to be in a club section where there’s home team support.
There’s non alcohol sections.
There’s general sections.
I think home team should be allowed to maybe have a section they can call home right?
They win two cups lol hilarious now I’m never watching Tampa bay on tv and I live in South Florida….. 2 CUPS 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hey buddy this rule has been around for like six years and it's not unique to Tampa.
This is embarrassing for the lightning and embarrassing for the league. Whichever group or committee decided this is a policy should be without jobs immediately. And also they should have to eat wet cat food for this stupid idea
Nah, the pathetic fans in TB that are afraid of seeing the wrong Jersey are the entitled ones.
Tough it up, cream puff
It’s not particularly funny when you use it on a boomer, but it is mildly entertaining when you can’t even figure out what a boomer is
As a lifelong Tampa sports fan that's been to numerous games across all sports I've actually never heard of this, take a look at our Rays/Yanks and Bucs/Green bay home games. Their usually 60% opposing fans the whole community is a melting pot of people moving away from the cold and we're use to and usually welcome opposing fans who put money into our teams pockets.
What in the actual fuck is this??
Drinking Game: Take a shot every time he says Crystal Ortiz.
What a crappy policy.
Idiots. It’s half the fun.
It’s more fun when other fans come into the building. I’ve had some great times at the coliseum chatting with jabs fans when they used to bus in for games at the coliseum
That’s bullshit. I went to Edmonton with my Sharks jersey in 2017 and shelled out for playoff tickets to sit in 4th row seats up there, and everyone from the ushers to the Oilers fans were very respectful. And Edmonton is way more hockey crazy than Florida. This lightning policy screams butthurt. Having visiting fans in your rink and being the visiting fan in another rink are great things.
lightning fan here, don’t support this rule at all, but don’t take shots at the fanbase for this rule and blame either the arena or the lightning themselves... i’m 100% sure no other fans have a problem with opposing fans being in the stadium
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Florida is a garbage hockey market as is so I don't understand putting these additional rules on trying to attend a game