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Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

perplexed_43

No social outlets (sports, clubs, even school), limited interface with peers, pressure at home from loss of income, fear of Covid, actual loss of loved ones to Covid, no Prom/Dates/movies, and daily news of climbing death totals exceeding 500K in the US. Yeah, suicide rates were going to go up.


MitchHedberg

Also let's be real, most teens want to be anywhere but with their parents - they're often longing for freedom and self-determination. Flip to being 24/7 in a house under parental control and many I'm sure are incredibly miserable.


blackbenetavo

It’s not just a question of teens chafing under parental guidance. Think of all the kids with abusive parents, where everything outside of home was a refuge from the abuse, and now they’re stuck there constantly. And think of all the borderline abusive parents where work and limited interaction with their kids was enough distance to keep them from escalating to something more severe. Now those parents are cracking under quarantine pressure and taking it out on the kids.


Hamoodi1999

80 percent of people who have attempted suicide were abused at home


nonresponsive

Strong family bonds is actually one of the best deterrents to suicide. Obviously this doesn't include abusive families, but people who live alone are more likely to commit suicide than those with loved ones.


Archmage_of_Detroit

There's a difference between strong family bonds, and being trapped indoors with someone 24/7.


CSI_Tech_Dept

Yes, those are two different things, you wouldn't think of yourself being trapped if you would have strong bonds with your family.


Drumboy168

Then a lot of people have issues with that, and that's a problem.


Horm0neM0nster

Yeah, I have been away from my family since December, and my mental health took a nose-dive. I even recently started performing self-harm to myself, and a year ago me would have NEVER done that... im in my mid thirties, and can definitely sympathize with teenagers who historically have higher rates of developing depression and mental illnesses.


Hamoodi1999

Statistically 80 percent of people who have attempted suicide were abused at home


OfCuriousWorkmanship

True. Let’s not ignore tho that some kids don’t fare well in the on-site social settings of school campuses. Also more time with parents can obligate a family to resolve interpersonal issues, help people pull together in a crisis, and feel noticed/nourished. Some suicides *didn’t* happen because of increased time at home.


asillynert

Depends on home time for me if I was home I was hungry. Parents were not exactly great. My mom was a tad addicted to being hero of moment. So we had a animal shelter ran out of house. As she could get "praise" from people she accepted animals from to community. Our house smelled terrible you could smell it from road every waking moment at home was dealing with literal shit. More than once I nibbled on cat food as that was more reliably stocked than people food. Of course father was busy with work trying to earn enough to fund mothers crazyiness. Because when he didn't support crazy she would scream and beat him till he shut up. He didn't leave knowing system would automatically default kids to her which he ended up not quite making it. left right before last kid was old enough that sibling pleaded to be with dad other siblings made statements against her. Judge well she says she will do better so full custody to mother. For me it was go to school get a guarenteed meal come home do chores (usually animal shit had a full dumspter specifically for it filled to brim weekly was so heavy one time bottom fell out) After chores I would leave come home as late as they would allow go to bed because nothing to do if mom spotted me I would be cleaning up shit some more rest of house stank and if I was awake I could feel hunger pangs. Rinse repeat if I had been stuck at home I imagine I would not have made it a few months. As for people struggling in social settings while true most people find 1-2 friends while shitty for some. If your from a abusive or shitty home being at school and bullied but having a comrade or two is about 10 times better than being a home. Because bullys are not swinging beer bottles.


RandomUserC137

I’ve seen similar situations first-hand. It must be a waking nightmare.


myflippinggoodness

Both arguments are true to a degree. Makes sense tho considering the global "omg wtf do we do ahh fuck *repeating errors* **stupid fckn slog**" response to the pandemic Srsly I give humans as a whole like a 3.4/10 on this. F 👎😒


rulesforrebels

Nice spin


krectus

Researchers, though, cautioned against drawing direct lines between these spikes and conditions brought on by the coronavirus pandemic, which disrupted nearly every aspect of U.S. life starting in the middle of last March. A year of Covid has big impact on mental health A heightened appreciation about mental health in 2020 might have prompted parents to get their children mental health treatment, they said. "Conversely, by spending more time at home together with young persons, adults might have become more aware of suicidal thoughts and behaviors, and thus been more likely to take their children to the ED," according to the report.


locoder

Murder was also surged in 2020. Considering the state of communications technology and record government assistance, it's kinda crazy how everything went to shit. Like things could have been much worse.


theCatalyst77

Domestic violence incidents increased during the pandemic since victims have literally nowhere to hide, no break from the abusers. They being cut off from support systems like school, work, therapists, etc. Pandemic is an uncertain and stressful time and abusers use that pent up anger on their victims. It could be a contribute factor in higher murder rate as well as suicide rate.


robexib

Almost as if a year-long government lockdown was a bad idea...


Money_dragon

What's frustrating is that it didn't have to be this bad. The worst thing was to do a half-assed, uncoordinated lockdown (which the USA did) As a result, people had to suffer through the lockdown's negative effects, but the pandemic was never controlled well enough because the USA wouldn't commit to it fully. Got the worst of both situations


Fractal_Soul

Unchecked exponential growth in COVID cases would've been much worse.


robexib

Between the murders, suicides, and mental health degradation we faced globally, not to mention the massive amount of police brutality experienced in the US and elsewhere as a result of over-enforcement of COVID guidelines, I'm not entirely sure.


Fractal_Soul

You're looking at a difference of a few thousand vs hundreds of thousands of deaths, but ok.


CAllD2B

Don’t forget the already dystopian US conditions and the sense that the best we’ll be able to do to counter climate change is desecrate Mitch McConnell’s corpse


Financial-Process-86

Not to mention shittier future outlook. White house raid, blm movement, falling of america being called by ray dalio a very successful hedge fund, inflation, global warming, etc. Things aren't looking good lul


gohogs120

Yup the CDC warned about this months ago saying schools needed to be opened.


cdegallo

I'm not gatekeeping, but you described my childhood, minus covid and the 500k deaths. I'm not surprised suicides went up.


HoursOfCuddles

Suicides in Japan in October alone exceeded all the COVID deaths in Japan of January 2020 to September 2020! Look it up!


Thedirtyjersey

There was a bump that first week or two of lockdown, a bunch of teens and college kids offed themselves scared shitless of getting covid and preferred it to worrying... Meanwhile they were very low risk group so tragic


bdgg2000

Yeah and no school to go to which in hindsight was a big mistake.


DrCreeper2020

I kept my self alive even though I got no friends due to my love of being alive.


rulesforrebels

At least they didn't die of covid though amirite?


PowerfulLier

Can we just say the % increase instead if words like soared


VyrPlan

As a former depressed & isolated teenager (with undiagnosed bipolar depression - now in my 50s) I'm wondering if a year away from others would have been a strain or a kind of vacation. I mean, it would have altered my social life not at all really. On a related note - don't bother with suicide. The whole thing will be over before you know it anyways. Quit early and you're likely to miss one of the few good parts.


753951321654987

30yo bi polar. Manic depression but more of a emphasis of on depression. It was AMAZING. all of the pressure of society gone. Traffic gone. ( worked on site entire pandemic) friends had time to kick the shit and game. Kinda sucks now that things are going back to normal, about to restart the good ole anti depressants


Anhydrous_NaCl

>Quit early and you're likely to miss one of the few good parts. This does not make suicide any less appealing than it already is, but credit for the honesty.


StifleStrife

The appeal of suicide is the resolution of a specific problem that obscures the rest of life. It can seem like that problem dominates all facets of life and defines who you are. It isnt actually death people long for its a resolution and passing of that problem. Different when your young, as my anecdote of early life was that i thought i knew exactly how everything was going to play out because i was abused. Like i had the view of the backstage and was entirely alone. Like the script was written and i had already read it. That only became self fulfilling and may have fucked me up worse. I cannot say if getting help early would have solved everything, i suspect it probably would have but that depends on who i would have opened up to. But i do know that talking about it with someone would have changed the idea that i had the backstage or that fate is a out dated way to think of life.


Ariandrin

I can attest to that “it’s a resolution, not death” idea of suicide. I’ve been depressed for over half of my life now (and I’m only 30), and every time I’ve considered suicide it’s because I want off this crazy train, not because I actually want to die.


RollerSkatingHoop

I've definitely wanted to just be in a coma for a while


Ariandrin

I feel this. At the beginning of the pandemic I felt this way a lot too.


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-_-hey-chuvak

Eh I always thought that since I’m suffering so is everyone else, so I might as well make some people laugh here and there until we all die eventually. Plus nothing beats chilling beneath a blanket, can’t do that if I’m dead.


GeneticMutants

I think people want to kill the situation not the self. It really is up to us to have as much fun as we can even though we might not be enjoying ourselves.


CSI_Tech_Dept

I was depressed briefly. In my case it was due to hyperactive thyroid. It gave me perspective how hormones can affect the way you see the world, because once the thyroid levels returned to normal nothing really changed in my life (still had the same problems), but I suddenly started seeing everything differently. For example when I was supposed even something as small as missing a bus felt like everything was set against me. Everything I thought of I only seen the bad sides of it, but when non depressed I tend to concentrate on good parts and quickly forgetting bad sides.


muffinlemma

So like, thoughts like this don’t make me want to kill myself but they do remind me that death isn’t so bad after all. If I get a terminal diagnosis this week, part of me will be at peace with it because life is kinda shitty anyway. I don’t live in fear of death because at some level I am willing to let go of life, though of course I don’t particularly want to die at any given moment. It’s a strange headspace I don’t think many people inhabit.


Drumboy168

Yeah. Once you realize there's no particular reason to be adverse to being dead (not dying itself, different idea) then the whole idea becomes less awful and more academic.


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Vomit_Tingles

Honestly you need to find things that make you happy. Life is all of those things if you let it be. And it can be the opposite if you don't let it fester like a sore you just have to suffer through. It certainly isn't happy go lucky by default.


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Vomit_Tingles

It's not about choosing to be happy. It's about actively trying to be versus inactively being depressed.


Drumboy168

Trying to be happy when you're not is one of the fastest ways to be miserable.


GlyphInBullet

Yeah, oddly anxiety over death increased my suicidal ideation. "Just get it over with".


_weIcwedhoe

Very well put.


Archmage_of_Detroit

Reddit loved to shit all over parents who were talking about the effects of lockdowns on their kids. I can't even remember how many times I read comments about schools reopening that said something to the effect of "they just want their babysitters back." No, kids are fucking KILLING THEMSELVES, and their parents are having to do school, work, and deal with the most stressful year of their lives at the same time over here. We're fucking dying (literally).


unsteadied

Unsurprisingly, much of Reddit’s real reason for loving the lockdown is because they enjoyed considering themselves heroes for staying in their basement and ordering pizza while they played video games, a lifestyle that required zero changes from pre-lockdown. People were literally expressing “take that, extroverts” during the lockdown on here. Pathetic.


greenestgoo

I hear you, but the mental health problems created due to the pandemic was used as a justification for following no science and flouting responsibility by so many. I would see MLM moms on Instagram flouting all safety, going and doing whatever they wanted (indoors and out), and posting lots of videos about it, *and* making anecdotal comments about whether covid was really “that bad.” Of course, they were anti-vaxxers too, and one justification they’d lean on was your same line, ‘people are literally committing suicide because they feel so isolated.’ To me, it felt like being spat at in my face, because while I was depressed, I took the time to figure out how to safely (outdoors, virtually, etc) interact w/ my loved ones and not feel so isolated. It is the parents’ job to be level-headed, responsible and plan shit, it’s the job of adults to care for kids in need and honestly assess risks. Suicide can happen even when parents are doing everything right, and it was a pandemic and financial crisis so options were frankly limited, and it’s sad all the way around, but it wasn’t black-and-white, ie follow restrictions or blow them off to save the kids. That argument is fundamentally dishonest and enragingly so, like the anti-vax movement.


johnskoolie

Yup... I mentioned how abused kids are stuck at home with their abusers and how we need to figure something out for the kids. Instantly downvoted and called a troll for anti-lock downs.


artisanrox

Kids wouldn't be killing themselves if we had solid national mental health care but MUH TAX MONEY and SOCIALISM


Manolyk

Using the we're fucking dying argument also applies to the over 600k people that died from covid in the US and nearly 4 million worldwide. We are in a deadly pandemic. One that is exclusively spread by close contact with other humans. The suicide rates don't even come close to those numbers and if nothing had been done to mitigate the spread, the death tolls would be that much higher. What would have been your solution?


Archmage_of_Detroit

> What would have been your solution? Pay people to stay home (thus alleviating the financial and work-related stress) and come up with a school solution that actually worked, rather than forcing parents to be teachers on top of everything else.


Bravo_McDaniel

But what about "personal responsibility"?


GlyphInBullet

Tbh if people handled themselves better right away instead of trying to half ass it, we'd be farther along now instead of continuing to be taking part measures.


clevariant

Maybe as a society we should give young people something to look forward to.


Blue-Thunder

Still doesn't compare to adult male rates during regular times. You know, the suicides that society basically says don't matter.


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Blue-Thunder

I am very sorry to read that. It does matter to those who are affected by it, but the sheer lack of services for men show just how little society itself cares.


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Blue-Thunder

I personally am no longer in that dark place, but thank you for your concern. It took me almost 2 years of waiting to get help. The system is very broken in every country.


yaosio

This isn't a contest, I'm sure all suicide rates will catch up one day if we work hard.


The_SHRiIVIP

Now there's the right kind of can-do attitude we've needed.


morning-now

Adult male here. It’s wild how Redditors will do anything to derail the conversation to themselves. Can’t even focus on fucking kids for a minute. Imagine if there was a post saying rape against men is skyrocketing and then having a comment saying “still doesn’t compare to rates of rape against women” be one of the most upvoted. How are you not ashamed of yourself? Also, this article is about suicide *attempts*, so yes male rates can’t compare, because women attempt 2-4x more


Blue-Thunder

Kids get attention, women get attention, men get ignored. PERIOD. Thanks for proving my point though.


morning-now

> Kids get attention, women get attention, men get ignored. Clearly not, when, on a post about kids having mental health issues and trying to kill themselves more and more, the third top comment is about their issues don’t compare to adult men’s. Also, I see this supposedly never talked about topic of male suicide brought up every day on Reddit alone in irrelevant posts. Yet people claim it’s ignored? Imagine being a kid who just attempted suicide or the parent of a kid who just attempted suicide, seeing an article pointing out how that your friends and peers or kids your child’s age are more suicidal than ever, and then seeing a comment say, “Hmm...can’t compare to adult males though. Why are we talking about children?? Think of the poor adults!” Or imagine, as I added to my initial comment, if there was a post saying rape against men is skyrocketing and then having a comment saying “still doesn’t compare to rates of rape against women.” You really typed that out and felt no shame at all. Thanks for proving my point about how selfish people can be


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Blue-Thunder

Yes dare to bring attention to male suicides as they are ignored, and get met with the usual vitriol. This is why men kill themselves so much.


morning-now

1) You weren’t met with vitriol because people don’t care about men. You were met with vitriol because you’re a piece of shit who literally said children killing themselves and children’s mental health issues don’t compare to men’s issues. Villains are really out here thinking they’re heroes and victims lmfao. Narcissism will do that to ya 2) You weren’t met with nearly enough vitriol. Third top comment. Great to see how many people are willing to dismiss literal kids


Blue-Thunder

Compare the suicide rate of youths to male adults. Men 35-65 make up over 60% of male suicide victims. 65+ make up another 25%. Let that sink in. In my country, Canada, a man kills himself every 3 hours. Kids have PLENTY of resources. Men do not.


morning-now

> Kids have PLENTY of resources. Read the article. Hell, even read the headline. They clearly fucking don’t. How is *that* not sinking in? Talking to you is a waste of time. Holy shit


Guitarfoxx

Who exactly is saying they don’t matter?


DisastrousSundae

Funny how I only hear about the male suicide rate when other groups are brought up.


Blue-Thunder

And every time it's brought up we're told we're pieces of shit for trying to bring attention to it.


DisastrousSundae

Well, surely the next time you bring it up when women or child suicide rates are being discussed, people will get on board


Blue-Thunder

That's funny as men successfully commit suicide almost 4x greater than women. Bet ya didn't know that.


DisastrousSundae

I did know that. I also know that's because men generally use more violent and effective methods for suicide (guns) vs. women (pill overdoses).


thejoeface

No one says they don’t matter.


Blue-Thunder

[Oh really?](https://nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-why-is-it-that-a-report-on-promoting-gender-equity-in-mental-health-all-but-ignores-the-illnesses-of-men-and-boys)


thejoeface

well that article is certainly chock full of right wing buzzwords.


ArizonaBaySwim_Team

Your credible source is the National Post lmao


Blue-Thunder

Ok asshole https://bcmj.org/articles/silent-epidemic-male-suicide https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/how-do-life/201510/male-suicide-the-silent-epidemic https://www.researchgate.net/publication/286692266_The_silent_epidemic_of_male_suicide better sources? Or do you want something more? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/15/we-need-to-talk-about-male-suicide-celebrities-vulnerable https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/201702/mens-mental-health-silent-crisis Fuck you.


johnny__

Gotta love the energy from this guy


Blue-Thunder

It's pretty sad how it's perfectly ok to ridicule someone when they post an article about male mental health being ignored, and question the source when the article itself has a direct link to the source. In my country, male deaths are ignored. Male suicide even more so. We even went so far as to hold an inquiry as to why female Indigenous deaths are "so high" while ignoring the plight of our men, who are murdered at almost 3x the rate as our women. Including male deaths would have just been a distraction, or so we were told.


johnny__

It’s a Reddit go-to move to ask for a source and then to discredit the source when it’s provided without reading the source. There aren’t a lot of people who want to have a discussion on this website. They just want to be right and to prove you are wrong.


Kurzilla

Those sources Aren't people saying that they don't matter though. Those are sources saying it's happening AND being researched AND being talked about across multiple years. Some of the sources note a lack of media attention - but again - you're posting 4 different sources giving it attention.


Grandfunk14

More specifically adult , white males have much higher suicides rates than other "races".


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Blue-Thunder

Gotta love the downvotes. The youth rates don't even compare to adult male rates and yet, no one cares about the men. It's depressing as fuck.


--half--and--half--

- Make it harder to get guns - Increase public funding to pay for universal health/mental healthcare. Both of these things would probably reduce those suicides Both of these things are opposed by often the same people. Ironically, many adult males at risk.


reverendjesus

This is the kind of person who runs into a rally for AIDS awareness screaming *”bUt wHaT aBoUt aLL tHe oThEr DiSeAsEs?”*


GetThatSwaggBack

Just got out of the psych ward. Absolutely.


420BongHitsForJesus

We saved grandma, fuck the kids


harshgalaxy

Why do they not link to the report?


Turok1134

Teen suicide attempts have been rising steadily for years now. And I could have sworn that suicides overall ended up being overreported during the pandemic.


hdofu

This is news? You take away virtually every outlet for people, subject them to nothing but death and fear for over a year and act like this don’t break people’s wills. If people were mentally stable after this I’d concerned.


TOMapleLaughs

Yeah but full suicides apparently dropped during the pandemic, so we cool rite?


Grandfunk14

Yeap all cool. Because these teens definitely won't try again or carry the depression with them later in life. I think we over steered on a population that was at such a low risk.to begin with.


usrbin_

I can't believe this hasn't been highlighed sooner, . Kids get no representation *edit fixed spelling


NettingStick

Not highlighted sooner? This has been an issue of concern since the beginning of lockdowns.


Darkmetroidz

Can't vote, they can get fucked. Unfortunately


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Alex Jones has been talking about it but he’s a far right conspiracy nut.


usrbin_

Two great couples daughters were committed during covid and a 3rd who I knew casually daughter hung herself at home.last month. So fhcking pissed.


suddenimpulse

On this issue neither do men really, which have a higher regular rate than this.


U_S_A1776

Politicians had to keep up the covid theater


steinsintx

A 25% increase in a number that probably fluctuates by 10% each year does sound like “soared” to me.


sirmoveon

Any link to actual historical data? or do we have to listen only when the narrative is convenient to some institutions?


Blue-Thunder

https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/ Youth account for 11-14% in USA suicides by average. ~~Middle age men (35-54) account for 40%. If we increase that to 64, that age group, 35-64 accounts for over 60% of all male suicides, on average.~~ Sorry that was for TOTAL suicides.. Here is the male suicide rate. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1114191/male-suicide-rate-in-the-us-by-age-group/


Valleygirl1981

If I was trapped with my parents, I probably would have killed myself too.


Significant_Night_65

In other news, water is wet


kamalas_camel_toe

The group with the lowest mortality rates were locked away for a year and scared into thinking the world was ending. Of course suicide rates skyrocketed


Agent_Snowpuff

I see this kind of comment time and time again. It's not about the mortality rate. It's about the *infection.* If someone gets infected they *spread it to other people*. If every household with a child has at least one person who's regularly exposed to other people then it massively impacts the virus' ability to spread. Do we really need *more proof* that the virus was a serious health threat besides the six hundred thousand people who have already died?


aidoit

In addition to the 600,000 dead, many COVID victims end up with long Covid and other health problems. And this happened with the restrictions. It would be a lot worse without them.


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Yeah as a percent it went up a bit, but in real life they went up like 1000 total kids out of 25 million total kids in that age range. Try not to hype yourself up so much on PERCENT when you could be looking at totals. Unless the totals are too high for your human brain to handle, particularly when it comes to governing humans, you are better off with totals. This way you ALWAYS have a sense for how many actual people you are talking about vs potentially getting all caught up in the percentage gain, especially when its one year, normal variation is to be expect vs an ever downward trend and these was that whole once in a 100 year pandemic. Long story short, these increase don't add up much real life increase crime rather they take some of the lowest crime rate we've seen in 50 years and bump it up slightly from about it's lowest point, which does tend to produce an impressive looking percent increase, but not an impressive total amount of crime or suicides... for America.


Bravo_McDaniel

I thought you folks were all about "personal responsibility".


sonoma4life

where do you live that locked down like that?


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SoylentGrunt

To everyone that did everything they could to help insure the spread of the disease by acting like selfish shortsighted and narrow minded narcissists, you contributed to killing people on more than one level. Because you weren't afraid to live your life. No matter who died because of it.


NettingStick

Exactly. Lockdown measures were never supposed to last longer than a couple months. But half the country refused to take *any* steps to mitigate or shorten the disaster. They’re the reason COVID has been a protracted nightmare for these kids. Pure projection.


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electricalresetjet

Suicide seems cut and dry as far as numbers, and determining if it was a attempt or actual suicide or not.


blackpharaoh69

Nah bro that's all Hillary Clinton hit squads harvesting adrenochrome, it's true I saw it on facebook


ClubsBabySeal

Well, on average suicide is down but deaths are way up. I assume you're anti any health measures... so live with that? I'm not sure what your point is other than fuck you, die for everyone else.


electricalresetjet

I’m strongly in favor of traditional public health measures/pandemic response. Which emphasizes that border closures are ineffective and totalitarian measures do more harm than good and suspending normal life is a last resort. This is of course mainly a flu plan, but the same principles apply. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/213717/dh_131040.pdf > This means that it almost certainly will not be possible to contain or eradicate a new virus in its country of origin or on arrival in the UK. The expectation must be that the virus will inevitably spread and that any local measures taken to disrupt or reduce the spread are likely to have very limited or partial success at a national level and cannot be relied on as a way to ‘buy time’ > 4.18 The Foreign and Commonwealth Office will issue advice regarding travel to affected countries. There are no plans to attempt to close borders in the event of an influenza pandemic. The UK generally has a high level of international connectivity, and so is likely to be one of the earlier countries to receive infectious individuals. Modelling suggests that imposing a 90% restriction on all air travel to the UK at the point a pandemic emerges would only delay the peak of a pandemic wave by one to two weeks10,11. Even a 99.9% travel restriction might delay a pandemic wave by only two months. During 2009 it became clear that the pandemic virus had already spread widely before international authorities were alerted, suggesting that in any case the point of pandemic emergence had been missed by several weeks. The economic, political and social consequences of border closures would also be very substantial, including risks to the secure supply of food, pharmaceuticals and other supplies. > Once the virus is more established in the country, the general policy would be that schools should not close – unless there are specific local business continuity reasons (staff shortages or particularly vulnerable children). This policy will be reviewed in light of information about how the pandemic is unfolding at the time. > **7.4 During a pandemic, the Government will encourage those who are well to carry on with their normal daily lives for as long and as far as that is possible, whilst taking basic precautions to protect themselves from infection and lessen the risk of spreading influenza to others (see Chapter 4). The UK Government does not plan to close borders, stop mass gatherings or impose controls on public transport during any pandemic.**


ClubsBabySeal

It was a bit worse than the flu as far as spreading, but really... We had poor mask and social distancing discipline, but more important in the U.S. is that we had no viable track and trace program. Lock downs are supposed to supplement other policies or so they say. That's what I get pissed about. We have blueprints for disease response but we just did fuck all with them. Had we just done the basics we would've had a much better QoL and economic outcome. From your post I'm now guessing you are pissed the same as I am for our failure to implement comprehensive and rational policy.


ClubsBabySeal

Well, what do you think about eggs? Completely unrelated. No. Yes. Scrambled etc.


electricalresetjet

Personally scrambled or over medium. Or in burrito format. You?


ClubsBabySeal

Scrambled. Breakfast burritos are pretty good.


suddenimpulse

As someone in the medical field that treated people in the ICU this last year...wow this is an incredibly appalling, ignorant position, not backed by any evidence.


electricalresetjet

How many in the ICU were under 18?


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Do you think people under 18 just don't spread it?


bad_alternator

Compare the suicide numbers with the covid deaths and get back to me.


ClubsBabySeal

Suicides down. Death way up. The worst part is we could've done things like contact tracing on a national level. Both freedom and disease prevention. Oh well, fuck it, sacrifice the most vulnerable because we refuse to do anything that requires effort.


qwertash1

Looking at 15million deaths if we didnt act if it spared the other 95% thats 2 holocausts for unintiated


Bravo_McDaniel

Thought you folks were all about "personal responsibility".


kendetroit

Trump mentioned this early on but i disregarded it because of the source. 🤷‍♂️


DJA1967

Trump said lots of things that are turning out to be right.


turtlesarecool1

You mean how he said the 15 cases of covid were nothing and it would go away. Or are you going to tell me he never specified when and he was actually right


kendetroit

That suicides would skyrocket. I fell into the trap of disregarding everything that govt said.


suddenimpulse

Not really


thesouthwillnotrise

crappy world leaders and no future. idiot parents that say “ everything gone i’ll be ok” . wow makes me want to throw in that towel too . parents…. may i ask why you guys talk so much crap about the future and the planet but ya keep popping them out . our problems start with the breeders everything else is out of our control. more people you have the more likely you are going to have people “ commit suicide” . numbers going along with numbers so to speak.


PM_ME_KITTYNIPPLES

Yes, it sucks, but they were trying to balance it against the risk of teachers and parents/guardians potentially dying from COVID-19 because of kids spreading the novel coronavirus.


MacRule36

I had wondered this. Sucks. Would like to see the state by state data to compare by “lockdown level”.


DragonflyFinal

so unnecessary too. just for a year of slight hardship


Sprussel_Brouts

I don't think it was just the pandemic. The kids are smart. They see the writing on the wall. In the US there is a tangible sense among the youth that everything that has been the "norm" about having a stable and successful life is going away. The pandemic just made is way more obvious to the mainstream how ill every facet of this society is. At best they see uncertainty in their future. At worst they sense the coming collapse of the nation and the hope of a good future for themselves.


PM_ME_KITTYNIPPLES

It definitely didn't help that people got so little money during the lockdown. Unemployment benefits can be unnecessarily hard to get in some states. My dad had a horrible time trying to get it in Florida, with the payments being very spotty when he finally was approved. Financial stress on the parents could have led to them taking it out on their kids, or kids feeling unnecessary guilt about taking up resources.


Sprussel_Brouts

Exactly. I so many other "less free" countries (because MURICA!) Citizens were told to shelter and immediately just got checks from the government because that made sense. I the US we were told "Almost no free money! And you have to use the UC system that we have intentionally sickened worse than a Covid victim on PURPOSE." Why? Because the Left is ineffective and the right outright does not want to govern but rather extract wealth and power. Citizens? Fuck you.


DragonflyFinal

i would argue having a stable and succesful life is not the norm, for most the entire world. these youth are just suddenly realizing how sheltered they have been and that they are in fact, part of a larger world where bad things happen and life sometimes gets difficult and confusing. and as far as the future goes, they are the ones in charge of it.. they can give up hope if they want, or they can get motivated the make the future a better one.


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davidreiss666

People never killed themselves over any one thing. They're depressed for some reason. They're parents are fighting. School is closed. They can't go out and just hang on the street corner with their friends. They stay in at home. They eat too much and gain some weight. They are told that they are really ugly causae their overweight. They aren't ugly, but they aren't adults yet and are inexperienced at dealing with things. Maybe one of their parents get laid off. All of those examples then feed into each other and the cycle repeats and repeats and repeats. They get more depressed, they don't know a way out. Maybe they don't really plan to kill themselves. Maybe it's just a cry for attention. But... their cell phone ran out of battery life or they passed out in a position that caused their windpipe to get closed. People don't kill themselves over one thing. It's normally dozens of things. And teenagers are not using adult coping mechanisms. And things go very, very wrong. I get it. You don't understand. I hope you never have to learn to understand it.


dragfan99

Be careful. what you think is slight just isn’t for some folks.


Ajlynnart

I always wish I was born in America with a decent family. Most American teens has this kind of life yet they don't treasure it. It's like how a millionaire is depressed because he only got 100 likes on his tiktok post even though he earns millions per month. Most teens in America are way too spoiled unlike most asian countries where kids works in early age just to feed themselves. Ofc every family and kids has their own different life goin on but at least treasure what your parents give you instead of killin yourself just because you broke up with someone/ you can't go outside/ you can't hang out with friends. Dude you're making things even more lame af and will just make you lame and embarssing even to death. So just live your life to the fullest and think of the kids who can't even buy their own shoes and clothes. You're one lucky human to have lavish life so be thankful.


Uknonuthin

Yeah but did they get a spicy cold? No? Then thank Big Daddy Government for trampling your rights.


hockeyfan608

DUHHHH I could’ve told you that


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It's a 1000 suicide increase out of 25 million kids that age, hardly some kind of HUGE SURGE like the news wants to sell. When places uses percentages and they could have just used totals, you should be suspicious! Suicides and murders are NEVER higher enough the just writting otu the totals for a few years doesn't always make more sense than percent's which can go up and down wildly without represent trends as well. Unless you NEED to add percent's in because the totals are so big your humansbrain can't handle it, just stick with the totals as they will always be more intuitive. You don't have to convert a real total, you just see the difference right away. It's worth noting being people almost always think murder, crime and even suicide is a lot higher than it is and SOMETIMES the US will over compensate or try to over protect based on these rather bad statistic reporting habits. It's just like money. When given the option you want to just KNOW the real prices, not the percent adjusted prices and UP TO savings and all that BS. You just want real totals on numbers that small for anything like this or money or anything you actually want to be initiative vs deceptive.