New York City In 1911
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I like how the kid in the front seat just looks like uh this shit is tedious
They’re still moving faster than you do in New York traffic today
yeah, better off walking haha
Hey I’m walking here
*slaps horse after almost getting run over by the carriage*
It's a sideWALK, not a sideBLOCK!
This is fascinating. Love seeing a slice of real world history. Imagine having to wear SO many formal clothes all the time in NY in the summer. Agh.
[Take a trip down SF's Market St in 1906](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO_1AdYRGW8)(the street looked radically different ~~2~~ 4 days later)
Whoa, that was trippy, like a time machine.
I like this one, it somehow feels both dated and futuristic:
What I can't comprehend is how people tolerated each other's BO, since folks also didn't use to wash themselves often at the time. But I guess you'd get used to that too.
maybe it was a “if everyone smells bad, nobody smells bad” kinda thing.
This ^ I have to believe smells are like so many things: relative to place and time. If you visit a foreign culture, it might smell “bad” to your because you’re not used to it but guarantee they don’t notice it (or maybe that smelly friends house?). Same with what’s acceptable sexually or even in dress. Bikinis (even one piece swimsuits) are so ubiquitous for most westerners we don’t notice them usually. Wear that in 1911 and start a riot.
Yep, definitely right about the smells. There's an old joke/story in India about a girl who complains to her dad that the in-laws' house smells bad(due to sewage nearby). A few weeks later on the dad's next visit, she proudly informs him that she thoroughly cleaned the house and it doesn't smell bad anymore.
The dad replies," No darling, to me it still smells bad, your nose just got used to it!"
Me, cleaning my room after my mom says it smells weird: “damn how tf does my room smell I smell nothing??”
Also me, with an ounce of weed under the bed: “ohhhhh”
I grew up on a dairy farm, I am completely immune to the smell of cow shit. I’d have friends visit and they would complain the whole village smelt awful, but I never noticed as I’d always lived with it
You need to travel more. In some countries they still don't take daily or even wekly showers, and for many deodorant is not a thing. Interestingly, after a few weeks in such a place you realize you can recognize people by their odor. I remember entering the office and *knowing* which of my coworkers hadn't arrived yet without even looking.
“Hmmm....onions.....farts......sweat......no rancid dick cheese stench, so Randy isn’t in yet.”
Ugh…why does my name always get tossed into hypotheticals when it’s something negative?
Because just look at it... Randy. It just begs to be used for comedy.
Be very thankful that your name is not Karen.
"Randy won't wash his ass because he thinks touching his own butthole is gay"
"Randy also won't wash his dick because he thinks touching dick is gay"
i hate this whole thread so much
>i hate this whole thread so much
I've had this happen in the U.S. A dude i worked with in college always smelled like chili dogs with onions. I remember asking him, when i was hungry and short on cash, to sniff his armpits. As a gentleman he always obliged
I dont think I'll ever get tired of this type of humor
And this… satisfied your hunger?
It certainly killed my appetite.
And there, my friends, began a new diet fad, one that cost nothing but dignity and upset stomach.
I worked at AT&T with a guy that I swear only ate Jersey Mike's because he smelled like an Italian sub made Mike's Way all of the time. Worst was he tried to cover up the smell with cologne. Didn't work.
I'm glad I'm able to walk into my work and also tell who isn't in yet, not by smell but the fact some co-workers are smiling.
I also had a co-worker who naturally smelled like pollen, like we literally made them not shower for days to see if they would smell and nope.
That is actually a misconception. They had many washing up products and washed the important bits every evening. They also had natural deodorants and perfumes. And they changed their underclothes regularly. So unless they were personally unhygienic (or were unfortunately too poor to afford soap), they didn’t smell as bad as you think. They cared about it.
Heavy perfumes went out of style relatively recently.
^ This. But also, I'm wondering what role did fabrics in clothing have in BO. Back in that time, most people had very few items of clothing, but they were usually done in fabrics that are more resistant and sturdy, plus they had different layers of fabric (cotton, wool, silk if you had the means) as opposed to i.e. just a layer of polyester directly on the skin. I can imagine that this, combined with daily washing with a wash basin, and perfumes (including homemade ones), did not result in them smelling badly. It's a similar principle as the common recommendation to use wool for underwear and t-shirts while hiking, because wool breathes in a way that other fabrics don't, and this directly affects the dampness and moisture retention (and thus, smell) at the end of the day.
Yeah the stereotype comes from pandemics and lack of plumbing in medieval England. Cities would stink and water would often be unclean (alot of people drank only beer to avoid this) but people themselves were obsessed with hygiene. Even most peasants washed daily and used natural deodorants. European culture has always been crazy about hygiene, the only other place I'm aware of like this is Japan.
(Very weak beer, but beer nonetheless)
i was thinking the exact same thing plus all the garbage on the streets, i can’t even imagine.
And horse shit
Lmao, you guys realize all those things still apply in NYC? Its a very smelly city.
minus the enormous amounts of horse poo tho
it was a legit problem back then
There was a huge legal battle in 1884 over a manure pile covering two city blocks: it was 30 feet tall and was 20,000 tons.
Dude I’m loving the facts you’re dropping all over this post. Please make a subreddit!!
> legal battle in 1884 over a manure pile
please, google fails me in this specific case, where can I learn more?
In the grand scheme of poop smells, horse is not that bad. Slightly worse than cows and much better than pigs.
Yea it's all just grass haha.
Yeah, but modern hygiene does wonders for the magnitude even if it is still there
And pee in the subways.
no joke.....when people started to get vaccinated, i decided to take off my mask and take the train, nope, mask back on. the urine and feces smell was mostly subdued.
People seem to misunderstand - horse shit is big, but doesnt really smell terrible compared to most animals (especially carnivores like dogs and cats, or even humans)
It's horse piss that is rancid. God it is so much worse
This guy horses
Yeah, horse shit, if it smells at all will have a sweet scent to it. They eat grasses, hay, an oats mixture that has some type of sticky syrup in it and the occasional apple or carrot. What’s to smell? You can stand next to a hill of fresh manure and not be bothered. Fresh being the key word here. That shit will eventually ferment and turn rancid. If you buy manure for your garden (to enhance the soil), and it smells, you shouldn’t use it. It’s gone bad. Take it back to wherever you bought it and say, **canihavemymoneyback**.
Human shit stinks to high heaven due to our crap diet. Pun intended.
That's better than human feces.
Honestly the garbage was probably different. Considering all the papers an plastics they didn’t have in abundance like we have today with every thing we buy. But I’m sure it was still bad, but different. I’m curious now what to imagine.
Yeah what did people do before plastic garbage bags??
There wasn't as much packaging full stop. There's a reason garbage bins used to be called "dust bins" and garbage men "dustmen". They were primarily for dust and ash.
Separate "rag and bone" men collected other things like ruined clothes. These later evolved into the modern "scrappy" - scrap metal collectors.
I don't know about cities, but rural areas disposed of food waste outside (animals or composting). Without packaging waste, they didn't really even need a weekly garbage collection at all!
It's from 1911, but 1611. They absolutely washed. They wouldn't have showers or tubs full of water unless you were solidly middle class, but they did wash themselves.
This is a really common misconception. People actually bathed very regularly.
And the smell was not as bad as pre-sewer days (1850).
Sweaty NY, but I guess one gets used to it... Life is life!
I guarantee NY still stinks, it's just a different stink and we're used to it
You really do. In the ten years I lived there I barely noticed it after a while. Now when I visit the smell of summer in New York is like overpowering in a bad way
If you want to hear a slice of real history relating to this…. The Dollop podcast does an interesting episode on when cars first started getting introduced in New York and such, and how they had so much trouble mixing with horse and cart.
Would recommend a listen!
Man I wish I could time travel and just be a fly on the wall, I would love to just see how people lived back in different times in person and see their lives, how similar they were to us, etc.
I have had this dream since I was a kid, sucks I won't ever get to experience it.
But I live this dream through things like this video.
Here is a youtube where a guy tracks down the people in that car.
There is also a website: [CAN WE IDENTIFY THESE PEOPLE?](https://www.brownstonedetectives.com/who-are-these-people-1911/)
So many hats! Nearly everyone in the video on that page was wearing a hat.
E- And if they weren't wearing one, they had one in their hands!
Because of you didn't, you were literally a pariah. Also, you could tell the time of year by the kind of hat: since there are straw hats, it was summer, sometime before September 15th. Straw hats became less fashionable after the straw hat riot of 1922. And no, that isn't a joke:
I would like to subscribe for more hat centric history
Around the 1880s, it was INSANELY popular for women to wear large hats adorned with stuffed animals, mostly birds, but also sometimes squirrels and mice. And when I say stuffed animals, I mean actual taxidermied animals. One ornithologist walked two blocks in New York City, saw 700 hats, and over 550 of them had birds. They would range from hummingbirds, all the way up to owl heads. So many birds were being killed for this, it's what caused the first Audubon societies to be set up.
[Here's an example of one.](https://psmag.com/.image/t_share/MTI3NTgyNTMyMDc3MTMxMDI2/bird-hat.jpg)
It also inspired a man to become the father of modern taxidermy and reinvent taxidermy, but that's not really hat related.
Dude, you need your own sub. I thought I knew some weird facts, but you take the cake. Bravo!
The Dollop is a fairly popular podcast that looks at stories from (mostly) American history. They mention it fairly often. A hat was a symbol of station and at times required by your religion, even into the 1900s. A man not wearing a hat was an important thing to note in newspapers, and the lack of a hat was often taken as a sign that something was wrong.
They mentioned lack of headdress for our then Prime
Minister’s (David Cameron) wife during a royal wedding on the live viewing
" sentenced by Magistrate Peter A. Hatting during night court"
You can't make it up!
Holy shit that's crazy! Of all the shit to get uppity about this just blows my mind. If you weren't supposed to wear straw hats after September 15, I wonder when you were allowed to start wearing them again. I didn't see it on that wiki. Sometime around Memorial Day, I'm guessing?
I think it actually was Memorial day, IIRC. Went along with the "no white before memorial day" thing.
Hats are functional outerwear. We don’t need them now because we live almost our entire life indoors, so a hat is an affectation, but in a world of walkable cities, no AC, no sunblock, open-top vehicles, and walking to work, a hat is as necessary as a jacket.
I was literally wondering yesterday how weird it would be to see your relatives in this film. It’s so cool that people have been discovering who they are.
Now, imagine a hundred years from now, somebody is going to skim through old Myspace, Facebook,YouTube and reddit sites (or archives) and read up on you.
“littlefang - top poster on r/NSFW 1992-2071”
I can just imagine the grandkids disappointed.
Fun fact - when the driver stopped to let that horse and wagon cross their path, that was the last recorded occurrence of someone using a signal in the city.
Gimme the tldr
thanks, you saved me 16mins
Does the driver still have regulation Foosball table sized shoulders?
Due to no power steering. Like trying to steer a mule.
1200bc new York: tall ass skyscrapers still present.
Seriously tho when did the construction of the skyscrapers start in NY?
New York and Chicago were building skyscrapers in the late 1800s.
Holy shit... Must have freaked out a lot of people back then.
Just to give you an idea, in 1890 the tallest building in NYC was the newly-built New York World Building at 18 stories. In 1899 the tallest was the Park Row Building at about 30 stories. The latter is still standing.
And for comparison the Eiffel Tower which is almost three times higher than Park Row was built in 1887.
what a shame the world building was torn down
That gold dome on top must have looked amazing.
New Yorkers don't typically look up so they haven't noticed to this day
fun fact, they couldn't invent the skyscraper, until they figured out the Elevator/Lift.
Read it somewhere and can verify if it's that important.
I thought I read a TIL about a building built with an empty space for an elevator because the architect knew it would be invented soon
Yep. There's a Tom Scott video about this.
IIRC the architect incorrectly predicted that lifts would be round, not rectangular, so the space was actually never used for a lift.
So close yet so far…
Yeah! Check out *The Cliff Dwellers* for an example. (Buy from Powell's, not the other place!)
I did not know we originally had righthand-side drive vehicles!
"Drivers tended to sit on the right so they could ensure their buggy, wagon, or other vehicle didn't run into a roadside ditch. ... Thus, most American cars produced before 1910 were made with right-side driver seating, although intended for right-side driving."
I was going to ask about that. Why is the steering wheel on the wrong side?
Cars didn't really have standardized sides here in the USA until Henry Ford decided to make all of his cars left-side-drive. Everyone else just followed suit afterwards since literally everyone and their mom owned a Ford after the 1910s.
Fun fact -- the Henry Ford Company, his first venture into starting a car company, was actually sold off and became Cadillac. Also, he was a raging anti-Semite, wrote an anti-semite book that probably inspired Hitler to be anti-Semitic himself, and is the only American mentioned favourably in Mein Kampf.
This is exactly the line of questions I was looking for and you beat me to the punch.
Also, to add to it, I heard that prett thg much all cars before the Ford Model T was RHD. Even all the earlier Ford cars were RHD until he came up with the Model T. IIRC, it became standard practice in the 1800s to drive your wagon on the right side of the road, and people would typically drive on the right side of the wagon so they can just look over the side of the wagon to make sure they dont run into the ditch. This carried over to cars when they came along.
If isnt exactly clear as to why Ford decided to make the switch, I heard that it was so that the missus could get out on the sidewalk rather than getting out in the muddy street and having to walk around, but thats just speculation. All I know is that Ford did it first with the Model T and it works so much better in a right side of the road country.
I’ve always heard it was for passing purposes. It would be very difficult to pass someone on a two lane road, driving on the right side in the right lane. You need to be able to see ahead in the opposite lane
Thats definitely a benefit, trust me, Ive been there, but Im not sure if that would be so much of a primary reason because of the road conditions back then. On a rutty mud covered road, they would have been rather hesitant to pass. Plus, it would have been one of those things that they just get used to and figure out. This was back in the day when the solution to that fuel starvation going uphill problem was backing uphill. (This was Henrys response to complaints which were the result of the Model T having no fuel pump and a low mounted tank and therefore fuel not wanting to flow when the car is pointed up a certain amount, and it didnt take much. This was remedied in 1926 with a fuel tank mounted inside the dashboard)
> wrote an anti-semite book that probably inspired Hitler.
Europe's (and Hitler's) anti-semitism goes back *a little bit further* (/s) than that
Maybe it’s because cars were so new they hadn’t established the rules yet? IDK
>the wrong side
That family in the car looks so miserable. The driver was having a good time though.
I bet you would look just as miserable having to wear all those fancy clothes in summer.
The father is smirking under his moustache, I believe. It looks like he is responding to what his driver is saying or maybe he just loves being in the car but I definitely see a restrained smile on his face. Look at the eyes, his eyes seem to smile at one point.
He seems like he was a pleasant guy working for people with zero personality
Maybe it was hot as balls out and they were all miserable but the driver was being friendly to get a decent tip.
Also the video camera was probably confusing as shit. The concept of being filmed in a taxi was probably the most absurd and pointless thing to film as far as they were concerned.
Stop right there! This is reddit we only have pessimistic assumptions.
Do you know how strange a video camera was in general back then, let alone one that insists on just cruising along in front of you while you're in a car?
This was when you had to stand perfectly still for photographs (which contributed to why people are so dead pan in older photos.. Easier to keep still). Teaching people how to drive often resulted in the student yelling "woaaah" instead of hitting the brake to stop.
I don't think it's far fetched to assume that they were confused for a myriad of reasons.
**More info:** It was filmed by a team of cameramen with the Swedish company Svenska Biografteatern. The cameramen were sent around the world to take photos and videos of well-known places. The footage is originally in black and white, and has no sound, YouTuber Denis Shiryaev colored the video and another youtuber Guy Jones added sound to the video. Neural network-powered AI algorithms were used to 'upscale' the footage so all the images appear clearer, sharper and colored. ⠀
These old videos being restored are always interesting to see. Anyone interested in this type of media should also see the documentary 'They shall not grow old'.
It is so well preserved.
Shame they filmed it in portrait mode on their phone.
They actually credited the person who did the restoration of this, [Denis Shiryaev](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD8J_xbbBuGobmw_N5ga3MA_). Some really great content he's done, though I personally like the diversity of [Mike Upchurch's channel](https://www.youtube.com/user/Powerloafer/videos).
That baby in the car- her face speaks volumes.
She is having a *moment.*
Yep. She either has a migraine, or she’s *done* with all of this…
“Baby”? Fucking kid looks 8. Where are you getting “baby” from!?
"The baby looked at least 8 your honour! At LEAST 8!"
That was actually very enjoyable and relaxing to watch. The fashion was incredibly sharp and fitted. Just needed some jazz music from that era.
Jazz technically wasn't really around then. Maybe ragtime, but not jazz. Jazz started cropping up around 1918 I believe, at least as an underground scene, thanks in large part to an all-black segregated army regiment's band (the regiment was known as the "Harlem Hellfighters"). There are of course a lot more influences than just that for a genre as diverse as jazz, but mentioning the Harlem Hellfighters more clearly sets the start of the jazz timeline around the end of World War I.
Also not to mention around this time, if anyone was playing anything that sounded like jazz, it would've likely been black folks from New Orleans playing it to a live audience. No one would have recorded that in a massively producible way at the time since a bunch of black folks playing something no one's ever heard wasn't very marketable to the rich people who had access to recorded music. It wouldn't have been until years later, when more people had access to recorded music and jazz had had enough time to gain popularity among the masses, that money was put into mass-producing it, making it into a marketable genre.
There's some odd sense of nostalgia in there.
Everything is slower, more paced. Now it's speedy and noisy.
My grandma was 10yo that summer, living in Brooklyn. She told me once that when she was 8 she went to the hospital to have her tonsils out and her father came and picked her up in the new buggy with the fringe around the top. She lived into her 90's and never lost her sense of humor.
I think I saw Eataly.
Very well stabilised. A fantastic window into the past.
The driver's parents were slaves. Damn, puts it in perspective how not long ago that was.
Yeah I realized that, it's crazy. Like even my grandpa was only 9 when segregation ended and he's somewhere in his 60's and that's not really that old.
your grandpa is my dads age, thanks for making me feel old aF
e: for clarity, am 37 y.o.
My grandpa was born in 1902...fuck.
My great grandpa was born in 1905, his grandma was kidnaped from Angola to be a slave in Brazil, but he became a wealthy farmer with cattle and plantation and shit in just two generations, he was awesome, he lived until 105 yo, he never talked about the past and slavery because of how traumatic it was
Wow my mom is 67, she never mentioned anything about that. She did tell me my great great grandpa was a slave trader the other day though, and my great grandpa just passed away 6 or 7 years ago now in his 80s. Mom's my biological grandma but she adopted me and raised me calling her that.
I keep thinking it when I watch things like Missississpi Burning or MLK. Geeze not long ago!
Not all Blacks were slaves, even before the 1860s.
Yep, this is NYC, plenty of black people there have been free for a while. Although if this video was in the South, yeah...
How do you know his parents were slaves?
All those people are dead now
Isn’t it weird to think that everyone in the video, the people who were going about their lives, the people in the background…and the people filming are all dead now. They had worries and dreams and fears, they are all gone now. It’s crazy to think about
It is, like to go Times Square now & just think the exact spot you’re standing in was a completely different bunch of people & in another 100 years it will be a new bunch..
Hey man I'm trying to get to sleep I didn't need this existential shit rn lol
Will English still exist 500 years from now?
It's probably barely recognizable by people from 250 years ago.
Lmao m8 dats gr8
bruh poggers based cringe
Advanced civilization will find some old dusty servers in Reddit HQ. Power those babies up just to find a string of characters which we are producing right now. Only to think the exact same thoughts.
I'm dying right now.
Wait, they drove on the right side then? Really?
Yea I has questions about this too. He’s driving on the right side of the road but he’s steering from the passenger side of the car.
There's something about watching old films in color. like this was more than 100 years ago, all these people are dead. Yet here they are, just being.
Crazy how wearing hats went completely out of style so quick
Ah yes, Old York City
It’s amazing. A real shot from the past
It boggles my mind that my great-grandmother was already 11 years old back then. She was born in 1900 in Munich, and has witnessed an emperor, the Weimarer Republic, WWI, WWII, more than one change of payment, has escaped the Nazis, and all of that before her 40 birthday.
She was there when JFK was shot, the Moon landing happened, when Germany got divided and reunited....
Basically she has experienced all of "We didn´t start the Fire". She died in 1994.
License plate for that year should be white on maroon.
White on dark blue for 1910.
That’s what happens when you get a poorly trained AI to colorize without regard for historical accuracy.
Throw the whole thing in the trash. Wrong color license plate? Ruined my day
Fucking driving Miss Daisy and family !
That kid in the front seat is having one hell of a hangover.
I am curious who the owner of tag number 65465 NY was? I am sure there is a record.
Lets not, NYPD will probably try to send his descendants an unpaid parking ticket.
I’m noticing the drivers on the right hand side. When did we officially decide on left?
Not a tree in sight
They hadn't been invented yet.
Probably bc they didn’t film the trees
I see dead people.
Wow, the early 20th century must have been one of the most jarring times of social change in human history. You have motorcars driving alongside horses, and people dressed in a suit that would have been considered conservative by the 30s walking alongside people dressed like they're on their way to see Chopin perform. And then the people in the suits are riding in the horse-drawn carriages while the people dressed like they're seeing Chopin are riding in the cars.
It's almost like everyone's just bumbling around not really knowing what "normal" is actually supposed to look like.
Everybody is long dead...
Unable to fathom what next 100 yrs will bring
I like how you could buy a suit in 1911 and be in fashion until today. Suits are amazing.
Everyone in this video had a life of their own. Their own hopes, dreams, stories, loves, despairs, experiences. Everyone in this video is dead now and we all will be too someday in the not too distant future. What are you waiting for? Start living.
When the two cars are driving towards the camera, Hitler is driving car behind the front one. Scary stuff.
It's wild to think that this was just 8 years before my grandfather was born, in NY state. Blows my mind to think about the things he saw and how much it all changed so quickly.
Chick in the beginning was STAAAAACKED!!!!
Do I have to be the one to say what we were all thinking? You gonna pretend like y'all didn't back the video up to watch her again? Come on.
It’s actually hilarious to think this woman could not even fathom the thought she would be getting sexually objectified 110 years later on the internet website called Reddit. She wouldn’t understand half that sentence if you told her!
This made my night thinking about that.
*tips monocle* m'lady
It’s that corset and additional slip under her dress. Bras weren’t commonplace then.
Nurse Lucy Elkins!
That was back in the day where the line for Shake Shack didn't wrap around the park...
Man, people sure do dress like idiots now
Look at all of those immigrants
You know… If everybody kind of just drove slowly… Shit would be better than it is today
What year was flipping each other off introduced?