Palestinian rockets (right to left) intercepted over Tel Aviv

Palestinian rockets (right to left) intercepted over Tel Aviv

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Locked because some of you don't know how to keep a civil discussion.


The Palestinian rockets are not coming from the right (or the left) - that's a second Iron Dome launch site. The launch sites are geographically dispersed and moved on a regular basis. [Read more here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome#Comparison_to_a_typical_battery) You cannot see the projectiles they are shooting at.


That is more terrifying than I originally thought. I thought the defense system was firing projectiles we couldn't see but the targets were the glowing ones. It makes more sense that the enemy missiles are hidden though


Yeah, all of the incoming projectile's propellant has been exhausted by the point at which they would be visible in the video, so it would be quite rare to actually see one of them.


It would be beautiful if it wasn't so horrifying.


It’s called “sublime”


I think there's something about terrible things that make them beautiful, like forest fires. Capable of so much destruction, yet move with ease. I think with this it's the fact that they look like fireworks, but also that people were capable of making these. People just like you and I. Some regular ass people living regular ass lives designed these and launched them. People just like us also designed a system that almost effortlessly launches projectiles in defense and blow up the incoming threat in the sky. People with vivid memories and emotions and opinions just like us made these terrible, beautiful, precise weapons for the heinous purpose of destroying one another. This is, so far, the peak of evolution and as sentient being, we decide how we evolve. I hope we make the right choices, if there are any.


This reminds me of Kant's vision on 'the sublime'. Things can be beautiful because of their magnitude and destructive force, in whose comparison you, as a human being, are only very small. The sublime can instill fear in you, yet you can't look away because it's mesmerizing to look at.


You’re describing the concept of the [sublime](https://www.tate.org.uk/art/art-terms/s/sublime)


The Iron Dome is no fucking joke. It's one of the most if not The most advance missile tracking systems on earth.


90% accurate, according to Raytheon.


This is not what I pictured when Israel said they were cancelling all inbound flights.


No kidding! As a US citizen, seeing others going through stuff like this really gives perspective at how sheltered we are and how silly our internal squabbles are. Edit: I wasn't intending to downplay the significance of the current socioeconomic issues in the USA. Sorry if I came across so callous. **I was just trying to point out how much I value not having actual missiles shot at my city.** Edit2: Thank you, kind strangers for the awards! They are my first ever. I also really appreciate the humor that one of you had!


Oh fuck off with the edit, you had the right take.


Tried explaining this to a co worker who made a shift lead cry. We work a fucking minimum wage store no need to make anyone cry or be that much an ass


Dude I don't think you need to apologize at all. These people are self entitled brats that have no clue what real struggles are. They're ready to kill each other over whether they should get to smoke weed or get an abortion or not. Meanwhile people are getting bombed having their friends and family murdered and losing limbs in actual war. There's absolutely no comparison. These people are pathetic.


If anyone else is curious about the Iron Dome system, here's a link I found: ​ [Raytheon Iron Dome System](https://www.raytheonmissilesanddefense.com/capabilities/products/irondome) ​ >Raytheon Missiles & Defense teams with Rafael Advanced Defense Systems to defend populated areas and critical assets with the Iron Dome Weapon System. It's the world’s most-used system, intercepting more than 1,500 incoming targets with a success rate exceeding 90 percent since being fielded in 2011.


40k per missile, so talk about a million dollar video


The alternative is more expensive.




Real talk: who negotiates for the Palestinians?




What they need is a young man and a young woman from both sides to fall in love despite the disapproval of their family and, with a musical song and dance, and their animal companion, convince each side to see the good in each other.


Reminds me of a real legend I used to hear all the time as kid. Something like: >*Two lovers, forbidden from one another* > >*A war divides their people* > >*And a mountain divides them apart* > >*Built a path to be together* Can't remember the last part of how it goes strangely.


Like [West Bank Story](https://youtu.be/mgQfCUNf0no)?


This is Don’t Mess with the Zohan lol except instead of an animal companion, you have Rob Schneider Edit: Thanks for my first awards, but you should all donate to the Palestinian cause instead: https://give.umrelief.org/campaign/saving-palestine/c339599?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwKjb1YfD8AIVcPHjBx2rKgOmEAAYASAAEgJuc_D_BwE


Which is pretty much the same thing, since Rob Schneider was in that movie The Animal.


I thought Rob Schneider was a carrot


Remind of the south park parody of Rob schneider








AKA [West Bank Story](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438575/) Everytime I make or eat Hummus, I think of Hummus HuuuuUUuUUUuUUUt


The shame was before Hamas came into power there was almost a peace treaty sign for Palestinians to come back into israel and reclaim the homes they had to leave. Hamas took over and stopped all that. There are people that want it to end and there are people who want no compromises in this situation. In my eyes the Palestinian people are the victims bc they don’t have anyone to voice them. Israelis is need to advocate for this fighting to stop. That won’t happen with Netanyahu in power. He’s literally the Israeli Putin, he looks and sounds like him. Imagine it’s just like when a lot of people didn’t like Trump being president, he’s there now and a lot of people don’t like it but that’s the extent of what i know.


I'm an American jew, surrounded by people that tout Israel as infallible, and your comment comes along and sums up my long-standing views perfectly. Your layman Israeli even feels the same way. Both sides have corruption, both sides need the conflict to continue to remain in power, and the Palestinian people continue to suffer because of it. Absolutely horrible




Reddit is an international community and the only difference between "terrorist" and "freedom fighter" is the side the person is on in a conflict


I've always assumed people who are pro-Hamas have weighed up the options and decided that they are the lesser of two evils. I truly was ambivalent on the matter until I listened to a BBC Radio 4 report that featured a Palestinian olive grower whose 300 year old grove of olive trees - that'd been in his family all that time - was illegally bulldozed by Israelis to make room for settlers' homes.




Hamas wouldn't exist without the Israeli government funding it. https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/ Leftist and secular Palestinians gained too much power so Israel funded extremists so they could continue conflict. Also, Fatah was upholding the accords and Israel still broke the agreement before Hamas existed. It's a cycle of Israeli oppression, Palestinian pushback, and Israeli escalation.


Ahh, nothing like job security


Rule of Acquisition #34: War is good for business.


You forgot the cycle of Israel claiming victim status any chance they get while they are killing innocent civilians over archaic religious bullshit. The US needs to stop funding those cunts, all they do is cause unnecessary tension in the region.


It’s really such a shame - a tragedy - Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated (by another Israeli). I’m not sure I can think of another Prime Minister so focused on a platform of the Israeli and Palestinian peace process.


Real talk: this is a video of the negotiation.


Wouldn’t that be great, but our history tells us otherwise


Sounds great on paper but we're dealing with religious fanatics on both sides.


Fuck religion and and all other forms of tribalism.


Except A Tribe Called Quest.


Of course. This should go without saying...


They're using religion as a bow to tie on their cultural/political conflict. Trust me, removing religion does not remove inhuman horrors.


The Iron Dome is used to protect civilians from rockets. How is the alternative to using that is peace?


This is a bit old, but I remember it being interesting. [60 Mins Iron Dome](https://youtu.be/Kac0hvGeVA0)


Just insane how they go about everyday life with missiles being intercepted overhead


And I thought I was cool for walking slowly in the rain while acting like it doesn't bother me.


You are. Don't let them tell you otherwise.


You are cool


You are cool. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.


This is kinda misleading. A US company (Raytheon) did not develop the Iron Dome. The Israelis did. Raytheon just licenses it and puts their name on it for sale to the US military, so the US government can say it's "Buying American".


That is a simplified an also misleading statement. Rafael is responsible for development, and Raytheon contributes components, and other elements they don’t discuss (likely radar, but just a guess). It is not simply ‘licensing’ of the product.


Most likely radar for sure.


Yeah... those Raytheon guys have some radar wizards hidden away in the back rooms.


You can't really say one country or the other developed it. Private corporations from both companies contributed technology to it. As it's the case with almost everything these days.


Some context please


Hamas (the Palestinian organization that controls Gaza) is currently launching rockets towards major Israeli population centers, this is a video of the Iron Dome system intercepting those rockets.


Can I ask a dumb question: These are always described as “rockets” and not missiles. Is there a meaningful difference


Missiles are guided, rockets are not - they follow a simple trajectory. Edit: I'm tracking there's multiple definitions. In this particular context where the rockets are being used as an indirect fire weapon the above definition is the most appropriate. Source: am artillery.


Not entirely true-- rockets are the propulsion method/a craft powered by a rocket motor, whereas a missile is when you attach an explosive to it. Source: Engineer in the defense industry Edit: turns out there really isn't any consensus on the definitions of each when used for military applications.


Technically, however if you call a rocket propelled missile a rocket you are wrong because it is a lower level of specificity than what is required. It would be like calling an apple a vegetable. Yes apples are vegetables as they are an edible part of a plant but they are more specifically the fruiting body of a plant. A powered-guided non aquatic weapon is a missile regardless of how its flight is powered. While an unguided non-aquatic, but rocket powered weapon is a rocket. But far be it for me to try and apply rigorous definitions, the military can't even be bothered with there guided rockets.


All missiles are rockets, but only some rockets are missiles?


And everything is a dildo if you’re brave enough.


Everything is a dildo *once* ^then ^^it's ^^^gone ^^^^forever


username ~~checks out~~ applies to me.


Just push on your stomach hard enough and some of them will probably pop out.


Not even. Some cruise missiles are powered by jet engines.


No. A missile can be a rocket or it can be for example using an air breathing jet engine. For example a cruise missile is a missile but not a rocket. It has a jet engine and works like an airplane. A missile is about what it does (hit things) while rocket is about how it works. A missile has to be airborne, self-propelled and guided. So things like glide bombs and guided artillery shells etc. are out.


Technically "missile" can refer to any object which is propelled at a target. So for example if I threw a rock, it's technically a missile.


Yep missle dates back fkrever and is what arrows used to be called.




That's not the DoD definition. Guided vs unguided is the correct differentiation in this context.


In my work (DoD contractor, weapons test) we usually make the distinction based on guidance: as in missiles are guided, rockets usually not. But it’s a syntactical stew: the GMLRS, for instance! It’s got a G *and* an R! Also fun is when to pronounce as an initialism (like IBM) and when as an acronym (MOAB). Here, the engineers would say G-M-L-R-S. The range guys? They say “gimlers”.


Layer-Cum is my favorite Defense acronym to say at the moment (Large Aircraft Infra-Red CounterMeasure, LAIRCM).


Yep, Hamas fires generally in the direction of cities. The Israeli military estimates that about 1/3rd of fired rockets actually land short, and blow up in Gaza. That sounds like propaganda to me, though.


The Qassam rockets are more or less large EMT tubes fitted with fins, propellant, and a rudimentary warhead. >The Qassam rocket is the best-known type of rocket deployed by Palestinian militants, mainly against Israeli civilians, but also some military targets during the Second Intifada of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. According to Human Rights Watch, Qassam rockets are too inaccurate and prone to malfunction to be used against specific military targets in or near civilian areas, and are mainly launched for the purpose of "harming civilians."


Knowing the relative tech level..I wouldn’t be terribly surprised.


Well I mean they are making these rockets out of scrap metal and materials meant for construction, and the propellant is made out of primitive shit like sugar and fertilizer. This is why their rockets are such shit.


those are pretty good rockets if they're building them like that fuck. I can't get a kite to fly


So ur saying theyre shooting rocket propelled ied? Or smthin?


Yes. Occasionally some kind of military surplus stuff is used, but most are crudely assembled rockets by modern standards.


They have [many many more than that](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_arsenal#Anti-Tank_Missiles) Fajr 5 supplied by Iran is of particular concern.


There was a video floating around a few years back of Palestinians launching a rocket from the roof of a school, it misfires, twirls, and slams into the mosque tower a few streets over.


Not dumb at all. Generally, missiles are guided and rockets are unguided, meaning they are less accurate and can't change direction in mid-air.


Yes. Rockets are aimed at a general area and can't be controlled after launch. Missiles have engines that control their trajectory, and they are used to hit specific targets. Hamas is launching rockets at the general direction of Israeli cities, Israel is launching missiles to hit specific rockets mid flight.


thanks for the info, that's insane


Iron dome system sounds badass


It sounds like one painful blowjob


Like a morning blowjob with the retainer still in


Sounds like something Tony Stark created


Iron Dome (Stark Industries): Are humans the baddies?


In short: - Israeli settlers file a lawsuit claiming land in east Jerusalem is theirs (~~biblically~~ deed bought during British mandate) - Israel court agrees. - Current Palestinian residents are not happy, don't agree. don't move. - Israeli court escalates matters, sends eviction notices. - Protests from Palestinians, along with some global outcry. - Some more protests and provocation from both sides - Rockets, lots of rockets Edit: the broad dispute over territory in this region is due biblical claims of the land. this specific lawsuit case is apparently because the land was bought during the mandate.


And also intern political issues in both sides. Failed elections, that didn't take place, that made Hamas get angry. Elections that may take Netanyahu out of the Israel government. As always, politicians being politicians.


>east Jerusalem is theirs (biblically) Imagine a holy book coming with a real estate portfolio.


It was actually bought in the 1850s during Ottoman rule.


Gross oversimplification of “eviction notices” lol


Could you add some detail?


Pleasantly surprised to see people actually looking for context in this situation


Doesn't mean they will successfully get it tho


True, it's a start tho


It is what is known as asymmetric warfare where the technology and firepower of Israel far outstrips that of the Palestinians, the Palestinians are attempting to respond to the Israeli military actions in the occupied territories by randomly firing low technology missiles at Israel in the vague hope of hitting something, even if the intercepting missiles of the Israelis miss their target the chances of the Palestinian rocket actually hitting anything significant is remote.


These attacks are perpetrated by Hamas, a terrorist organization, not Palestinians. Palestinian civilians are not the terrorists. Stop equating them. Hamas fires thousands of rockets at *civilian* areas of Israel every year, is frequently instigating, not responding, and positions their rocket launchers in Palestinian schools and hospitals, making it very difficult to neutralize threats without harming civilians. They use innocents as human shields. Furthermore, you make it sound as though they launch barrage attacks because they know most won’t get through. That’s not true. The rocket attacks are the reason the Iron Dome exists, not vice versa. The Iron Dome is an insanely advanced and expensive missile defense system. It’s not something developed countries can choose to have just in case. Maintaining it requires immense economic and technological resources and aid. Even the US doesn’t have a system as robust as the dome. The only reason Israel can justify maintaining it is because, if the Iron Dome came down, their enemies would scorched-earth the entire country without hesitation. Fuck Netanyahu, but also fuck Hamas.


I could be wrong, as I'm not at all knowledgeable about Palestinian politics, but wasn't Hamas democratically elected? If this is true, although Hamas isn't representative of all of Palestine, isn't it fair to say they have at least a significant portion of support from the masses there? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas In 2006 it said that Hamas won the elections, and essentially was throttled by foreign governments, but basically got power of the Gaza strip and occupied it since.


Isn't palestinian support for Hamas very high?


I vaguely remember going to buy groceries in a supermarket in Haifa, around 2008 or 2009, and it was explained to me the broken glass or marks on the walls were from a recent bombing.


Holy fucking shit. Aside from the obvious tragedy of warfare, I am in awe of the science and engineering behind this.


Is it happening now or old video?




It's crazy. Here's a daytime video from a while ago that let's you see it better https://youtu.be/JqzXecIRf88 https://youtu.be/hcNE5VHLldY


It is definitely not normal. I believe this is a video of tel Aviv, which never get any rockets. Ashkelon is getting rockets like every day for years now I think.


Now I live in Israel and can confirm


Be safe!


Strange how it's being minimally covered by American media, no?


It's on the news, but so is china and Taiwan and the gas pipe hack. Also this shit happens more than North Korea threatens people. Everyone is used to it, theyve been fighting for forever. It will calm back down and then spark back up, it always does.


Now/past day or two


more like past hour


That's some real shit. Fuck that would be scary.


Can confirm sitting in the shelter hearing explosions over my city


Scary shit


This madness needs to stop.


There’s not even anything resembling an end in sight honestly


If only Amy Adams could whisper "in war there are no winners, only widows" into every person's ear, then the world would finally see peace.


Jared is working on his multi-billion peace plan as we speak.


The guy from the subway ads?


no, stupid. the jeweler


It could only be JAAHHHREEEDD!!!


Where's a Kardashian with a Pepsi when you need'em?


Israel went to Jared!


Worse, somehow


Oh I'm sure they'll all calm down when the weather gets nice.


About that..... This fighting dates back a year or two.... Like the days of Abraham and his son's. Sooooo yeah, I don't see a group hug happening anytime soon


Ah, you made a slight grammatical error there. >This fighting dates back to year one or two There you go :)


Dude we’ve got China with Muslim slaves, kids dying in Africa to make phone batteries, and this? The whole world is f*cked up


You got a time machine?


It's called the iron Dome defence system, it's like a super advanced system that sends missiles to intercept projectiles and detonate them before they make contact with the ground


Wouldn’t that result in a shitload of shrapnel raining down on everyone below?


Better than a rocket hitting you I bet


The system is actually pretty smart, it doesn't target rockets that land in open areas and tries to hit targets not over populated areas.


Computers are fucking insane. This is a great example of the fucking crazy things computers can do in real time.


It would just fall at the normal rate of gravity (until it hits terminal velocity from wind resistance), shrapnel from grenades/explosives on the ground is so dangerous because of the crazy fast speeds it is launched at you. This would be much lower velocities from the freefall. https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-iron-dome-s-nice-but-mind-the-shrapnel-1.5199085 According to this Israeli officials say as long as you are indoors and not near a window falling shrapnel from Iron Dome explosions poses no risk of harm but may damage property outdoors.


Iron dome is programmed not to destroy rocket over population centres if possible. Most of the time some poor Farmer gets a lot of shrapnel in their field


Yeah basically, but that’s better than rockets


A 2 state solution is the only way The Palestinians can have North Dakota, Israel can have South Dakota. Everybody wins


Lol if only it was that simple


The different holy sites are spread around. You can't just draw a line


Israel gets 3 days of custody, Palestine gets 3 days of custody, and on Sunday the Chinese tourist's get custody. In less than a year the two will be signing peace treaties so they can join up and go to war against China for desecrating their holy sites with trash and destroying sacred monuments.


That can work...


For the holy sites? No. For sovereignty and not shooting people? Absolutely. Pilgrimages cross international borders all the time. But separating the two, and allowing each to exist as a separate sovereign nation, would mean that they can each have their own laws, and hopefully reduce at least some of the murder of innocents going on right now


Unfortunately I think holy sites and sovereignty go together for most people involved in that conflict


I think the British suggested splitting the area into 2 states, one for the israel, and one for palestine. They didn't do it because it would have meant moving to many Arabs out of Israel territory.


It's crazy that would actually be quite benefical


I assure you they would find ways to fight each other.


Ok we create a Middle Dakota and give it to Canada


Just don't give it to Poland


I have no idea what's going on in the Middle East, but I wish the best for anyone and everyone that's currently there.


I recommend also looking for some sources outside of Reddit if you want to know more. lmk if you want some unbiased sources I know of EDIT: Great! Here is some stuff I've read that I feel has made me better equipped to think about this enormously complex topic. I've split it up into "layman's" articles, things that are less academia-y and paint broader (perhaps mostly, but not totally accurate) strokes that should be taken as framing of the issue, and the other section is a little more academia-critical which I would say are less accessible to the layperson unless one is already familiar with the situation or if you are down to spend a lot of time parsing though accurate, but frankly highfalutin language. Furthermore, I'm not claiming to be some great authority on this topic. I'm just a student and I've done my best to get involved and as well educated on this as I can be. Of course this list is not some holy thing, just a bunch of papers I myself have incorporated into research papers or ones that I remember reading and thinking they were pretty decent summaries. The purpose of this is not to "tell you what to think," but rather to just lay some solid fact-based/history-based framework, because how else can we discuss this if we do not have that? If anyone else has good suggestions for papers, maybe we can add it together for easy future reference. Thanks **"The Easier Reads"** Framing how Israel came to be in the first place: https://www.history.com/topics/middle-east/history-of-israel Definition of Zionism, a term thrown around which means different things to different people: https://www.history.com/topics/middle-east/zionism "Who" is Palestine?: https://www.worldhistory.org/palestine/ This one is a book, and if you want to get in-depth I think you can get it as an e-Book, but here is "1948" on the First Arab-Israeli War. I think you can read the first 120 or so pages for free: https://www.google.com/books/edition/1948/CC7381HrLqcC?hl=en What was going on with Jewish people before Israel was created?: https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/creation-of-the-state-of-israel **"The Academia-y Reads"** Another good review: https://www.nature.com/articles/135416d0 Review of the conflict through a modern lens: http://www.jstor.org/stable/26351320 What even is the "Two State" solution?: http://www.jstor.org/stable/30245857 How exactly does the UN, a key entity in Israel's creation, play a role today?: http://www.jstor.org/stable/20007691 The Palestinian people: https://www.nature.com/articles/228947b0


I’d been keen to learn more


Israel pushing to take more land that Palestinians are currently living on. Palestinians protesting that you [can't take someone's house just because you can](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqozQ8uaV8). Israeli's arguing that they can so they will. It's currently the muslim holy month of Ramadan, and around this time tensions tend to flare up around the location of a holy site bordered by both faiths (Al-Aqsa for the muslims, Western Wall for the jews). Some attacks happened on both sides that kept escalating. Palestine doesn't really have a military so a rebel/terrorist group named Hamas usually attacks when it comes to the larger scale stuff like rockets. Israel's army attacks with their superior fire power and usually ends up winning. Generally tensions calm down after a week or so, but[ as time goes on Israel ultimately ends up taking more land](https://scenearabia.com/Content/Admin/Uploads/Articles/ArticleImages/55aefa02-f7bd-4e57-96e4-cc21aac68b90.jpg) despite what the international community states/agrees upon.


> If I don’t steal it, that someone else is going to steal it” That line gives me chills. First of all, he knows it’s stealing. He knows its wrong. Secondly, he justifies his actions by arguing that if he doesn’t do it someone else will. He knows that what he is doing is wrong, and he knows that if he didn’t do it, someone else will. He knows the system is corrupt. And last, the Palestinians don’t really have any power. The US loves its personal freedoms and guns. If this happened anywhere in the US, Jacob would be shot the moment he trespasses. So how can the US justify and support Israel, when that goes against their own principles. Anyways, I really hope that the ethnic cleansing that we are witnessing will end. Unfortunately, the victims of genocide and ethnic cleansing have become the perpetrators.


“A thief believes that everyone steals”


Because the US doesn’t really have any other good friends in the region. It is a crummy answer... but I guess the US picked better here than the South Vietnam dictator some 50 years ago.


This is precisely the reason the US supports Israel. People on Reddit have a habit of screaming about how the US is on some misguided moralistic crusade and loves Israel when in reality the only reason why we are as close to them as we are is because they are the only Ally that we have in a very contentious part of the world. Especially being so close to Turkey.


If you want to really know how insane it is....some of the Arabs are Christians. So American Christians are donating money to Israel so Israelis can steal land from Arab Christians.


Why do I feel like 90% of redditors who try to speak on Israel-Palestine relations can't locate either country on a map?




I know a whole bunch of people who are literally in bomb shelters RN, and they’re coming up with the best jokes of anyone tbh


Suddenly my neighbors don't look so bad.


When mine shot rockets off for July 4th, I just chucked the charred leftovers back over the fence. Maybe I need to upgrade.


Our species needs to do better, what a waste of energy this fighting bullshit is.


How many impoverished children could be fed with the millions of dollars that are instead being spent on munitions by both sides in this video?


Looks like real life “Missile Command”.


I was trying to remember the name of that game!


I don't think engaging Israel in military action is the best strategy for the Palestinians


Yeah especially now that the have attacked center, nobody really cared when it was the south


Hamas' gameplan is to draw fire from israel, and then use that to recieve global support And its clearly working tbh


This is literally the definition of this subreddit. **that is literally insane** I cannot fathom the people filming this and the terror they must feel 😔


This is why I’ve been calling my immune system the “iron dome” for the past year.


Less then an hour ago reports came and apparently a rocked killed a woman and injured 4 ppl. Not many casualties but many ppl injured


What the fuck is wrong with this world


spicy fireworks


Can somebody explain cause everything ive seen makes it seem like Israel is unjustly attacking Palestinians to create a unified ethno state, but now I'm seeing that Palestinians are launching rockets. That seems to change the context of the isrealy oppression of Palestine if Palestine is trying to murder populated centers. But I am totally open to information showing that I'm wrong, I just wonder what somebody who has more information than me thinks of this.


> cause everything ive seen makes it seem like Israel is unjustly attacking Palestinians to create a unified ethno state It's almost like reddit in general has trouble being objective about this conflict.


Ok, just to be clear, when I say "everything I've seen" I dont mean "on reddit"... I assumed that would be implied already to people who actually understand how to learn information. From everything I've seen on the news.




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What is happening there right now???


First thought, oh look fireworks .... reads titles OH.. oh damn, I'm not touching that with a 50ft barge pole


They misspelled Hamas


Wow that's crazy. Pretty cool. Kinda like the system Robert House tried to use to defend New Vegas from getting hit with all the nukes.