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America's gun crisis - 3/23/21

America's gun crisis - 3/23/21

foomachoo

The only violent invaders of our government buildings were Trump supporters on Jan 6, and those white gun fondlers in Oregon (Bundy).


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How bad does your country have to be to flee to this shithole.....bad.


ExpressRush

Well clearly their is a reason they fled from their tyrannical and corrupt government in Mexico and Central America. The United States has virtually more freedom then any other country in the modern world. Here Americans can say or worship virtually anything they want compared to many other countries in the world were free speech isn’t nearly as accepted. In America with enough hard work through capitalism you can accomplish virtually anything you want through hard work and dedication. Throughout our nation’s history immigrates have contributed far amounts of positive changes and growth in our economy and market. And you sir are a certified dumbass.


Crimson_Clouds

> The United States has virtually more freedom then any other country in the modern world. You don't travel much, do you? Or like, read?


clanddev

This reads exactly like the propaganda intended based on my experience growing up in 1980s USA. Technically you can profit through hard work and risk taking that is not in dispute. What they don't tell you about are all the land mines that we don't account for. You can profit through hard work unless * You are struck with a medical condition that bankrupts you * An economic downturn bankrupts you * A family member needs care which makes working hard enough impossible * You actually want to see your kids grow up * A bigger fish in your industry lobbies politicians for a rule change that puts you out of business * 100 other things outside of your control Also just ignore that the vast majority of people born into X class die in X class and class mobility has decreased in the aggregate every decade since the 1970s. The strongest correlation between being poor and rich is status at birth.


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AwesomeBrainPowers

> Woke culture is far more dangerous than modern white supremacy Congrats: That's the stupidest fucking sentence I've read so far this week. It's still Tuesday where I am—so there's plenty of opportunity to top that—but there's a solid chance it will *remain* the stupidest sentence I'll read for the duration.


13igTyme

You should look at his history. Loads more stupid stuff.


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AwesomeBrainPowers

> What I meant was that liberals push the agenda that American history racist A country built by slaves *does* have a racist history. I can’t believe anyone actually needs to clarify that at this point. > White supremacy does not have that much institutional power in 2021 For your sake, I hope this is satire. > yet if this current cancel culture society prevails and division grows, America is inevitably doomed. Because it’s the anti-racists’ fault for pointing out racism? Fuck outta here with that.


tomitomo

The Texas massacre happened. A Trump Hispanic supporter died. Conservatives still did absolutely jackshit. They don't care.


JukeBoxHeroJustin

Seriously. Keep your guns, but shut the fuck up if you vote against common sense gun laws.


uninsane

What are “common sense” gun laws? Common sense means different things to different people.


JukeBoxHeroJustin

Well, for one, gun laws that the common person wants (aka majority approval) such as keeping guns out of the hands of convicted stalkers and domestic abusers.


uninsane

I’d agree that’s common sense. We both know that majority support doesn’t make something common sense though!


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uninsane

Despite your intuitions, there is no statistical relationship between gun ownership and homicide rates by nation. There is a strong relationship between homicide rate and income inequality. In the US we have the income inequality of a developing nation. If we cared, we’d focus on that.


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uninsane

Feelings aren’t facts and we shouldn’t write laws based on feelings. I understand you’re upset. I am too.


Pudgerino

If americans wouldnt make laws on feelings, you would have acutal gun laws.


uninsane

There’s no relationship between gun ownership and homicide by nation. That’s a fact, not a feeling but I understand you’d like to maintain your smug superiority complex so you’ll ignore that.


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uninsane

I bet I have a lower BMI than you. Also, it is true.


Pudgerino

No its not, I literally wrote a work about suicidal and deathly incidents. Well since you're probably a republican, I know facts and rationality perl off of you like water on a raincoat. Im sry but I qont scream "Lock her up" or "Build the wall" like a maniac to get your attention. Also my BMI is 18.5. Im 1.95 weighing 78kg, so I highly doubt that, just because every BMI under 30 counts as skinny where you're from doesnt mean you actually are!


uninsane

You seem like a nice guy. Yeah, if you study suicides, I get why you’re confused. I’m talking about homicide. [This could be helpful](https://medium.com/@tgof137/gun-ownership-rates-do-not-predict-gun-violence-rates-dafbc8984ce1)


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Hibernia624

**Fun facts about guns:** **Defensive gun use saves millions per year.** >Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a) https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#15 **More people die annually from auto erotic asphyxiation than in mass shootings :** >Estimates of the mortality rate of autoerotic asphyxia range from 250 to 1000 deaths per year in the United States [6]" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5055911/#:~:text=Estimates%20of%20the%20mortality%20rate,practitioners%20were%20predominantly%20Caucasian%20males >The FBI collects data on “active shooter incidents,” which it defines as “as one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area.” Using the FBI’s definition, 85 people – excluding the shooters died in 2018. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ **The vast majority of gun deaths are from suicides** >Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338). https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ **The main guns used in gun crime are handguns not "Assault Rifles"** >In 2017, handguns were involved in the majority (64%) of the 10,982 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available, according to the FBI. Rifles – the category that includes many guns that are sometimes referred to as “assault weapons”– were involved in 4%. Shotguns were involved in 2%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (30%) involved firearms that were classified as “other guns or type not stated.” **The US isn't even close to the top gun fatality rate, ranking 20th.** >The U.S. gun death rate was 10.6 per 100,000 people in 2016, the most recent year in the study, which uses a somewhat different methodology from the CDC. That was far higher than in countries such as Canada (2.1 per 100,000) and Australia (1.0), as well as European nations such as France (2.7), Germany (0.9) and Spain (0.6). But the rate in the U.S. was much lower than in El Salvador (39.2 per 100,000 people), Venezuela (38.7), Guatemala (32.3), Colombia (25.9) and Honduras (22.5), the study found. Overall, the U.S. ranked 20th in its gun fatality rate.https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ Yes, Reddit. Lets ban AR-15s, so we can pretend the world has been saved.


PsychologicalIron5

Ok good job on the sourcing. I guess you didn't read the sources yourself. I took the time and did, why, idk, I don't even live in the US. Point 1: Shortly after your cited paragraph there is another estimate which is way lower. Followed by the point that defensive gun use could just as well make a situation MORE dangerous, even for the armed victim. The source wants this potential effect to be studied. -> Defensive gun use MIGHT be helpful, but it might just as well not be. It is unclear. You also dont need an AR for defensive gun use. Point 2: How is this relevant? Even more people die of cancer, or via accidents. Deaths via active shooters are still insanely high in your country, and could easily be 0. Point 3: What I take away from this is that in 2017 a town was killed with guns, and a bigger town through gun suicides. How this is supposed to be an argument FOR guns bewilders me. Point 4: Guns are cheaper, easier to hide...WAY more practical for most uses, legal or illegal - in this quote, murder and manslaughter are the uses. Guns should usually be the better tool for that. For mass shootings though you should bring an AR. Point 5: I can't even. Ranking 20th worldwide is horrible!?!?!?!!? ___ And my point: What are AR even useful for that you cant use a gun for!?!?!?!?!?!?


AgentIndiana56

All I see are a bunch of reasons to make guns safer and take care of a few other things while we are at it


KrustyBoomer

No crisis. Made up media bullshit. Plenty of guns out there doing their duty providing protection.


jiangcha

Pick the crust off your eyes, old man.


KrustyBoomer

Way more positive gun uses than not. Open your own eyes.


donvito716

Yeah like that time that they killed all those kids at that school


KrustyBoomer

And many many other thousands saved by gun use. Keep standing on that grave to pontificate


donvito716

Tell me about all the people guns brought back to life.


KrustyBoomer

Stupid reply is stupid


donvito716

You seem very self-aware that your replies are dumb.


KrustyBoomer

Good luck when you are jumped by 3 thugs and you are stuck with a single shot bolt action rifle due to idiot Lib anti gun laws. Or worse, nothing. Cops will come with the chalk after the fact


donvito716

Man you are so frightened of the world it's sad. If only everyone carried massive machine guns with them, everyone would be safe from "3 thugs."


AgentIndiana56

Then how come there are hardly any news stories about guns stopping mass shootings? If there are so many open carry people, why dont these get stopped all the time?


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WaxiePotts

If only there were something that we could do to, I don't know, control that...


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WaxiePotts

Yeah, sure. That's how laws work. They only apply to some people, based on race or gender or religion, right? Laws for thee, rights for me. Like how Reagan wanted an assault weapons ban as soon as the Black Panthers started encouraging gun ownership. Even he knew he couldn't pass a law targeting a race, though.


UglyTruckGuns

So, we just take rights away from everyone, then. That way we aren't racists. Funny how you knew what I was talking about, though. America doesn't have a gun problem, it has a [blank] problem. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.


WaxiePotts

You weren't exactly subtle. We can all head your dog whistle. Or did you just mean men?


UglyTruckGuns

So you know who commits most of the gun crime, but you don't favor targeted bans because it would be racist, so you think we should ban everyone from owning guns, or strictly control everyone's access, as a result of this tiny minority's actions. Do I have that correct? How do you think this will end? Do you think your opponents will continue to respect the 'rule of law's forever, even as it disarms them for the crimes of others? Do you think they will just sit there and take it forever? It's a bold plan, that's for sure. I'm excited to see how all this plays out.


WaxiePotts

I know you're a racist who thinks crime and color are linked. You made your opinion clear without providing any data. I know that men commit nearly all gun crimes. Would you be okay with targeting laws in that way? Remind me, when did I say I wanted to disarm anybody? Oh, wait, that was all in your head.


UglyTruckGuns

What you said >If only there were something that we could do to, I don't know, control that... We all know what gun control means. There is no need to pretend that you want 'common sense restrictions', or whatever other euphemism or half measure, when the end result is confiscation. I don't think we should strip anyone of their rights based on innate characteristics of race or sex, not sure where you got the idea, other than a really obtuse or intentionally uncharitable reading of my sardonic reply above. Still, the point stands. Guns aren't the problem, extremely violent men of a particular demographic are. You can keep trying to broaden it to all men all you want, but the statistics don't support that claim, and you know it, or you would have posted them already.


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jiangcha

That’s no excuse not to try.


uninsane

No but it’s also not an excuse to take shit away from everyone else while “trying.”


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jiangcha

And then they did something about it? You’re making your argument worse. And BOTH need to be addressed.


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Revro_Chevins

One mass shooting in 20 years compared to [hundreds](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019#:~:text=There%20were%20434%20mass%20shootings,there%20were%20111%20more%20incidents) of mass shootings in the U.S. in *one year*. Children could spot the difference here. You're in denial, man.


WaxiePotts

I guess we shouldn't bother having any laws at all. Criminals will just break them.


uninsane

No, laws are fine. It’s illegal to murder and it obviously should be. Prohibition for law abiding folks isn’t fine though.


WaxiePotts

You just said no laws are fine! Why make murder illegal? Criminals will still kill people, after all. Anyway, who said anything about prohibition?


uninsane

The magic of commas! I said, “No, laws are fine.” Prohibition is banning items that are safe in law abiding hands. The magic of definitions!


Nappleseed

Yeah like people actually making an effort to enforce the laws we already have in place? Making more laws isn’t going to make people who break the old ones follow the new ones. Curb illegal distribution of firearms and have legal offices correctly report disqualifying matters like criminal record and mental issues to the federal level. I really don’t see how making it harder, specially only in writing, to get gun is going to change a damn thing. People are already down for talking shit on the police, how about we get on their asses for picking and choosing what laws they are gonna police?


KrustyBoomer

So only criminals have them? Got it.


flukeykhan

Frankly anyone who keeps saying guns cause violence are not understanding the problem. These shootings are caused by mentally ill people. People who are having it so extremely hard they have no idea what to do. Depressed kids and school who are bullied. People who lose everything because of who they are. And so much more. It’s a problem no one really addresses in the U.S.A. lately and is only going to grow bigger the more it is not fixed.


venetianheadboards

the mentally ill people, the people who are having it so extremely hard they have no idea what to do, the depressed kids and school \[kids\] who are bullied, the people who lose everything because of who they are, these poor people I see on the streets of London, sadly, every day, do not have the opportunity to walk into a gun store and purchase 'an assault rifle and loads and loads of bullets please'. so they need to turn to something other than mass-murder to ease their pain. like a drink down the spoons or something.


uninsane

The strongest predictor of homicide rate by nation is income inequality. If we cared about homicide we’d aggressively tackle that but politicians don’t truly want to solve that so we get this culture war gun control bullshit instead.


AgentIndiana56

Guns just make it WAAAAAYYY easier


new_nimmerzz

Wouldn’t free healthcare help fix the issue?


scrogu

We don't say "guns CAUSE violence", we just say that AR-15's make the killing way faster and easier than it would be with a handgun. The projectile velocity also results in far more fatalities and serious injuries for anyone struck.


Carnivile

And then you remember there's only a "crisis" at the border because the US keeps sending guns south.